ChaosMen: Allen & Vander (RAW Flip Flop) (Director’s Cut)

Allen & Vander (RAW Flip Flop) (Director's Cut) at ChaosMen

Allen & Vander (RAW Flip Flop) (Director's Cut) at ChaosMen

Allen & Vander (RAW Flip Flop) (Director's Cut) at ChaosMen

Allen & Vander (RAW Flip Flop) (Director's Cut) at ChaosMen

Allen & Vander (RAW Flip Flop) (Director's Cut) at ChaosMen


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Director’s Cut with all the action!

This is another one of those videos that grew to well over 35 minutes. The original cut with the pissing is 45 minutes long, so the DC is a monster download.

Both Allen and Vander have dirty piggy minds, so I just let them do what they wanted to do.

Lots of ass eating, then kissing, ass to mouth, juicing, licking cummy holes, slurping up cum and cum kissing.

Both guys love eating ass. Both love getting fucked and fucking, so there is flip-flop action, and hints of the pee play here and there that had to be cut. Over all, just lots of dirty boy energy!

You just can’t go wrong on this video. It is without a doubt one of the hottest pairings on the site.

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Southbay says:

I love seeing Allen getting fucked!

elmtree says:

Totally agree. Love his hot ass, and body. This is a damn hot update…in spite of the piss.

dio says:

not sure, but is this the first CM scene with actual piss play? Hmm, I cannot say that I’m here for that, but I LOVE Vander’s slimmed down and trimmed (body hair) new look, and HARD dicks for ages. Piss and Allen’s face (LMAO!) aside, this is one of the hottest scenes CM’s ever produced.

moondoggy says:

The first one I remember is Taylor fucking Vander. There was a version with piss and possibly a version without, I don’t remember. Like I have said already, the piss doesn’t add much for me unless they’re willing to get a little raunchier. But Allen looks great, and I still want Vander either to make movies forever, or to retire right now and spend the rest of his life trying to make me pregnant.

dio says:

just went back to that post and read, and as Bryan says it was VERY vanilla – to the point where it even took place in a shower! LOL And man @ all the comments. So controversial and I dunno why, tbh. LOL

anyway, Bryan said it was a vanilla attempt @ piss-play and would ‘likely stay that way’ and yet here we are… this scene came hard with the piss-play!

VegasRich says:

According to The write-ups on Chaosmen, their billing agent does not allow piss play to be displayed on the site. So a couple of days after posting the Taylor & Vander seen he pulled it and replaced it with an editted version which remains to this day. I haven’t checked out the directors cut but I’m assuming that these also eliminated the piss play.

He did offer these on portable drives and through other sites. I don’t care for piss myself so I couldn’t care less.

VegasRich says:

Correction: the directors cut is the PP. I guess Bryan figured out a workaround with his billing company.

Jonny Marzetti says:

…if he ever *really* even had a problem with CCBill in the first place. You really have to take anything Bryan says with a grain of salt. Maybe most of it is true, but there are always some fabrications in there too. And I’m not talking about the usual largely-made-up model/scene background stuff that all the sites largely fabricate. I had a few email exchanges with him awhile back hat left me with the impression he would say the earth is flat and expect you to buy into it.

adowhat says:

vander is looking exceptionally hot in this update. i’ll put up with allen and watch this eventually.

manu says:

Vander…probably th ehottest man on earth, I hope he puts a little weight on though , I like his ass fatter!! Yummm

Dave says:

2 big boys, 2 big dicks, 2 thumbs up!

Bo69 says:

2 big cum shots, 2 probable gays

darkthunder1983 says:

Probable? Not a doubt in my mind that Allen’s gay. Straight bottom my ass literally.

dio says:

@Bo69, big come shots where, exactly? LOL The come shots were laughable, tbh. Allen’s FAR too skilled @ giving head to be straight, so no probable there! Vander I don’t know about… but, I would guess he’s at least bisexual.

aside: the pee was a lot more distracting/boner killing than I’d have hoped, but at least it wasn’t yellow. :-x

HKguy says:

Ah Allen that lipless son of a bitch! He’s so enthusiastic and I love it! Vanders lookin good, great update!

Mike says:

Allen has a beautiful bush.

kinezo says:

HOLY SHIT THIS IS HOT!!!! so rare for chaosmen to have cum eating!!! ABOUT TIME

muffintop says:

This is really hot but I’m left disappointed by the ending. I wanted to see Allen cum while getting fucked. At least there was cum eating I guess.

Jonny Marzetti says:

Who cares if the director’s cut if he’s not in the scene?

From the pics I like Vander (as usual) and the cum-eating, but Allen leaves me cold.

Bryan “promises” ATM in the writeup (cough, cough). That’s always been a lie before, even when the writeup makes a big deal about how it’s “real.” So I’d give it a 95.7% chance it’s fake again, with the edits done in a subtle way intended to make the ruse less obvious. I’m sure as heck not going to re-subscribe just to see if this could actually be rare REAL ATM (hey, Sean Cody did it…) — especially given the mostly ho-hum CM updates of late.

VegasRich says:

There is ATM and its not faked.

Jonny Marzetti says:

I can see Allen possibly doing real ATM. But if it’s supposedly Vander doing it, I can guarantee you if you look closely at some point you’ll see something in the way, or out of the video frame, followed by an angle change, etc. I.e., you will not see a clear, 100% un-obscured sequence where cock comes out of mouth and goes into ass. Allen perhaps, but Vander no way. Vander is the one they’ve faked it with before (after making a big deal in the writeup about how he wanted to do “no question about it ATM). And if a guy’s not willing to do it in one scene, that’s not going to change.

Jonny Marzetti says:

“where cock comes out of mouth and goes into ass” was of course supposed to say “where cock comes out of ass and goes into mouth”

jag2power says:

It looks and reads like these two were made for each other.

humanoid says:

And whose cuts were they normally???? Producer’s cut?

I think I’ve been seeing Vander in every other update already…

VegasRich says:

Oh my!!! Two of my favorites from the site and Allen gets to use his dick! This looks extremely hot.

Daniel says:

Vander looks fucking great here! Love his new look.

NineHorseTop says:

Some of these comments are downright hilarious!! You can only think: WTF?!?!

Like this one:
” I can see Allen possibly doing real ATM. But if it’s supposedly Vander doing it, I can guarantee you if you look closely at some point you’ll see something in the way, or out of the video frame, followed by an angle change, etc. I.e., you will not see a clear, 100% un-obscured sequence where cock comes out of mouth and goes into ass. Allen perhaps, but Vander no way. Vander is the one they’ve faked it with before (after making a big deal in the writeup about how he wanted to do “no question about it ATM). And if a guy’s not willing to do it in one scene, that’s not going to change.”

Aside from the stupid-ass term “ATM”, aside from the fact that they BOTH do it, not sure when this actually became a requirement and what not, but who the fuck cares if the sequence is 100% unobstructed (the actual requirement is +/-5% obstruction!!!) Dude, really?!?! So you basically sound like an idiot saying someone can’t change or do something they haven’t done before-sexually in this case. Why?? Because people never change. Which brings me to the comments about Vander’s “new” look: Again, I’m thinking: really?? He’s leaner than he was yesterday or last month rather. The dude obviously works out and has been doing so before he appeared online!! I thought it was common knowledge on Earth that people grow, hair grows, then you cut it, shave it, trim it, flip it, Snap it, work it, quick – erase it, Write it, cut it, paste it, save it, Load it, check it, quick – rewrite it,
Plug it, play it, burn it, rip it, Drag and drop it, zip – unzip it…then repeat.

So the look isn’t new. He’s 24 or 25, still growing & changing & evolving everyday- It’s what happens to him because LIFE does go on. And he, just like myself, probably prefers to keep ATM to mean a machine that gives you MONEY automatically and NOT one of the several possible sequences of places that a cock can move to and from!!!

Jonny Marzetti says:

“who the fuck cares if the sequence is 100% unobstructed (the actual requirement is +/-5% obstruction!!!)”

Because I don’t like being lied to. I’m especially sensitive to it after that pathetic, totally bogus extended passage in a writeup a couple months ago about Vander (LMAO!!!!) wanting to make sure everyone could tell the ATM is real. Then I watch the scene and there is this ridiculously abrupt, clunky cut to make sure it is actually *impossible* to see cock coming out of ass. Maybe Bryan’s Texas-mate W couldn’t say it without flubbing it, but I can: Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on you. So for shame, Ninehor…, er, Bryan.

And yes, of course it is possible someone can actually change their repertoire, but with something like ATM it’s far less likely. Besides, I have to evaluate the chances in the context of Bryan being such a master of mixing sheer horse-poop into the writeups. It’s worse than when other sites make up stuff, because he positions it as an honest-to-God, “porn reality” back story.

Jonny Marzetti says:

Oops, guess I’m in the W club after all (although he flubbed it even worse). “Shame on me.” But I still stand by all the other statements.

If you like piss watch the directors cut. if you dont watch the normal version. CCbill is allowing it if its not mentionnd. “ATM” is real. Usually is, even if not mentioned, unless a model makes an issue. I cant remember working with any that have but i know some do.
Thanks for all the comments and for watching

PornJock says:

Keep up the great work! You obviously put a lot of care and passion into it.

Jackyl says:

As someone who likes to watch (but not perform) ATM I have to say that Johnny Marzetti’s suspicions appear well-founded. When we were supposed to be watching Vander start sucking on Allen’s cock that had just come out of his ass, Allen’s arm and hand were oddly and “conveniently” blocking any view of his cock, and you couldn’t see Vander sucking on anything until it switched to a different angle with a close-up. It looked like it was planned that way, and that the close-up actually was filmed after some “clean up.” Otherwise the experienced director would have said “keep your arm out of the way” to Allen. But when Allen did the ATM nothing was blocked.

Jonny Marzetti says:

Yes, how can we possibly question the assertions\ of someone whose job is to create fantasies?? That’ would be just nuts, right?