One of them is gorgeous. The other one is just doable. Based on prior scenes from this site, not worth joining this when there are plenty of other sites with gorgeous guys (or at least hotties) willing to do more.

At least one of them does ….

One of them is definitely gorgeous (with an ass it’s a shame will never see a dick inside it – at least, not likely on camera), and the other one is definitely doable. Haven’t seen this but the FM sucks I have seen just doesn’t drive me to want to join this site to check it out. I can find pretty boys elsewhere, doing far more, and I’d prefer to FAP to that!

@Jonny wrt. Fazz’s comment, I assume it’s the promise of fucking themselves POV-style w/ a dildo, jerking off to climax, or some other self-pleasuring sex act, as soon as ‘olddirtybastard12345’ wires them $20 through some e-commerce payment system and then once the funds are deposited in their account they log off or something. It happens all the time.

this is yet another reason why sites like SC/CF are declining in quality. Because it is SO EASY for a knowledgeable, good-looking guy (who is interested in pursuing this line of work) to bypass the studios, and make BANK all by themselves by teasing and jerking off on cam.

Fazz, exactly how do they stiff “easily fooled, elderly gay men?” I have some ideas of what you may mean, but I’m not sure they’re right. Can you give a hypothetical example with specifics? Thanks.

(fazz) lol….ooooh. ;)

Haha to each their own I guess. Something about that face just irks me.

You’re crazy! LOL Crazy I say!

Well fratpad’s and fratmenTv’s business model has always been to come across as unique. And in the past that has worked for them, since they were. Currently, you can find a dozen sites just like it, and most of them for no monthly subscription payment. Cam4 is one example of a site that is pretty much exactly what, Fratpad is right now.

It’s a waiting room for greedy Fratmen, that want to be on Fratmen Sucks, while they make some cash on the side, stiffing easily fooled, elderly gay men. It’s really sad, quite frankly.

As for the management, they’re only interested in quick cash, and not a sustainable business model, at this stage.

You all, might be interested in learning that they plan to release at least half a dozen sites that all will appeal to a certain fetish.

The frat conglomerate is becoming something like next door studios.

Interesting ideas from all of you. Let’s just say some of it I agree with, some of it I disagree with, and some of it is solidly in the “hmm, I wonder…” or “who knows for sure territory” that elmtree referred to. (One thing I’m sure we’re all happy to agree on 100% is moondoggy’s audition-couch fantasy. Even the Fratpad guys get fucked on *that* sizzling sofa.)

Just a few observations: to consider Corbin Fisher has had some great BB stuff with top-of-the line guys recently, including surprise returns like Cort. And Sean Cody actually had a BB scene with Dane (!) and no Pierce. Even cutie Duncan, who just moved to RB, did BB on Corbin Fisher and lists BB and creampies as two of his interests on RB’s live-show page (all while listing himself as straight LOL).

Dio, that’s a thought-provoking idea about kissing being a tougher hurdle for these guys to get over than fucking. I’m sure it’s true for some, but I could easily see at least as many saying OK, “I’ll kiss if you pay me, but I ain’t takin’ no dick up my ass.” (We even see a little light kissing in this scene.( Heck, there are openly guy guys in “real life” who can’t stand bottoming and sometimes completely refuse to allow it. Also, I would think condoms might actually seem *more* gay to some of these guys than the other way around, since straight guys use them a lot less — especially in porn. We’ve even seen mentions of “straight” guys on some of the subscription sites supposedly refusing to fuck a guy if they have to use a condom. But — even though I doubt BB is *significantly* reducing the hot-model pool — I am sure there are some guys (both straight and gay) who would refuse to fuck without them regardless of testing.

But again, I’m not asserting that any of us are absolutely right or absolutely wrong on any of this — other than moondoggy’s fantasy casting couch.

Fap = JO = Jerk off. lol

007, If you think you’re ready for mah jelly, then sure! ;)

agree… he’s a little guy , but what a fat mouthful of cock he has.

hey Fazz why don’t you come over here and show me what you mean. ;)

Jonny, I really tried to ignore your post but I can’t help myself. I actually agree with you in that I’m sure many, if not most, of the “amazing specimen of manhood” in the FM stable would draw the line at full on man sex, resulting in a reduction in the overall hotness level at FM. Where I disagree with you is, I don’t see how the exact same logic can’t (in your view) apply to bb sex. Seems to me there would also be a percentage (more than minimal imo) of “amazing specimen of manhood” who would have sex with another guy but draw the line at bb, there by diminishing the overall hotness level on sites like Sean Cody and Corbin Fisher as they move to bb sex. Oh well…who knows for sure…

@Daniel, how so? All the guys jerk off to orgasm. Always. Sex isn’t all that it’s cracked up to be, esp. when it’s Fratmen’s current style. x-D Allamericanguys, on the other hand… that site can give you. LOL

i don’t understand why you continue to downplay the potential role eliminating condoms has played in SC/CF’s quality decline. I mean sure economics and availability plays their roles, but MANY of these straight guys see condoms as a ‘protective barrier’ against the gay sex, yet another vestige of their heterosexual idyll to cling to. ‘Wait, so you want me to fuck that guy without a condom?!? Um… I’ll have to think about it!’ and then all the ridiculous thoughts of disease and death go running through their head, thoughts that they would have otherwise disregarded due to the little foil square. And they gone. ;-P Anyway, if Fratmen goes ‘all the way’ think they can totally maintain their standard, for the most part. Fratmen’s guys are all semi-obnoxious, exhibitionist-types, anyway. All they have to do is frame the proposal properly…

and the easiest way to circumvent the big ass/performance issues is go the ‘rub him/bareback attack’ route and have one, preferably good looking, big dicked constant to fuck through all Fratmen’s regulars… :-D

aside: I do hope that SC/CF have been too busy falling all over themselves in effort to compete with each other, which had a hand in the decline in quality control, and once things have stabilized their standard quality will go back up. I hope.

hey, Jonny! :-D I appreciate where you’re coming from, but I cannot say that I agree… :-P IMO, getting a guy who identifies as straight to KISS another guy is a bigger hurdle than full-on penetration. A guy can totally compartmentalize fucking another guy for $$, while continuing to romanticize kissing as only being something they do with women, in an effort to distance themselves from the ‘act’ of fucking/being fucked by another guy and their compulsory heterosexuality. It’s all psychological, and about getting these guys to get over their hang-ups. European guys don’t have most of the issues with m/m stuffs that Americans do, which is why BA is able to consistently maintain such a high quality of standard (for the most part… LOL) and George Duroy has always believed in ‘training’ etc, which helps these guys to get over all the psychological mess (for the most part!) and focus on the physical aspect of pleasure, sexual behavior vs. their orientation. Now, sure there are a many few who cannot ‘get out of their own head’ and as such have performance issues… but many don’t! LOL The thing about it is it takes time and money… IMO, ‘Fratmen Suck!’ is basically a testing/training ground for these guys doing ‘more’… and then there’s always the little blue or orange pills. ;-)

anyway, Fratmen’s market is dying, as it’s becoming easier and easier to see BETTER LOOKING guys naked online… the next obvious step is fucking, unless their willing to further decline and become obsolete, or charge less.

On that note, Jonny, I like to think that if they took that step, they would kinda need to keep it bareback so that the straight guys would have no trouble staying hard. But I recognize that my theory has everything to do with me and nothing to do with the business model of the site. LOL

In this fantasy, there’s also an audition couch where every new guy is required to take a load just to make sure they’re serious about fucking on camera. Even the tops must conform to this requirement.