I think the idea is it’s supposed to be a fantasy thing. Obviously it’s not everyone’s thing, and maybe not yours, but I was under the impression it is a fantasy for a lot of gay guys to seduce or hook up with a straight guy, or bi-curious guy. One of my best friends is gay and when I started escorting he told me I should tell my clients I’m bi-curious as that would excite them. I’d say I was bi-curious when I started, now I can pretty freely admit to being sorta bi. 75/25 in favor of women. I think deep down all the guys who do g4p have to be at least a little bi or curious.

I think that it is possible for someone to define their sexual orientation by, let’s say, romantic attraction rather than just by what can bring them off. I think it’s possible that there are horndogs out there in the world who can get hard on a dime, who can appreciate the attractiveness of men and women, but who genuinely prefer women, and if Connor or Dawson says that’s where his heart is, I don’t see a reason to doubt him. If you consider that pantomiming, then that’s where you and I would begin to agree, but as for “why hire someone like that,” my answer is because they look DAMN good doing it, and is a better performer than many, many, many guys working there or anywhere else. Where we would agree even more is on the fact that it seems like Corbin Fisher and other sites could at least hire more guys who identify as openly gay.

Okay, I’m done on this thread because I don’t think anyone but us is still reading it, and because when I came back to see if I had a reply, I couldn’t even remember where we were having this conversation.

I agree with you Feyd. But I also understand what moondoggy means. I think Tom Cruise and Dawson are really in different situation. Tom has his multimillion dollar international superstar career at risk while Dawson is taking loads from guys on some gay porn site yet he keeps on saying that homophobic shit. I mean what would he loose if he admitted his bisexuality? That would hurt only his homophobic mind where a real man can’t be gay.

@moondoggy

I’m really struggling to come up with a response to your last comment.

A “genuinely straight” guy DOES NOT enjoy having sex with men. No if’s, and’s, or but’s. As for inhibitions… maybe AFTER ALL THESE YEARS, Dawson simply doesn’t give a fuck anymore – he’s gotten just that depraved.

As I see it, one of two things is happening here. Either Dawson does actually enjoy sexing dudes but he insists he’s straight – that’s homophobic IMO. Maybe mildly so IYO, but homophobic all the same. OR Dawson is faking it (with ED meds, str8 porn, etc.) and Corbin Fisher is selling us pantomimed gay sex acts performed by straight men (why? because they’re so much hotter?) – also homophobic.

Feyd, I’ve noticed that about you and it has given me food for thought each time you raise the objection. But I just don’t feel that way about it. Let’s consider all of the men who genuinely are straight in the world, and then arrange them from most homophobic to least. Seriously, where would you place a guy who has a girlfriend but who is less inhibited about gay sex than *I* am? I can make a list of things Dawson has done that I never would — multiple loads, rimming, double penetration … I don’t remember if he has done ATM, but if that was a question on Who Wants to Be a Millionaire, I’d put my money on “yes.”

Now let’s think of all the guys in the world who are genuinely gay and have internalized homophobia. Roy Cohn, J. Edgar Hoover, Ed Koch(?), Tom Cruise(?) … Again, I’m thinking that the “I’m really straight” star of a gay bareback site, the one who looks like he CAN’T WAIT to have another cock in his ass, is probably going to rank pretty low. At least that’s how I view it. There are a lot stronger forms of denial than being the cum dump in a 9-guy orgy.

“That’s the one thing that I think now makes Corbin Fisher better. Even when the models claim to be straight (like Dawson and I think Connor?), they show a spectacular level of enthusiasm toward fucking AND getting fucked by other men, and that is why their insistence on their own straightness never offends me or intrudes on my fantasy.”

And, personally, I find that to be even more offensive. You turn into a pile of quivering gooseflesh and cum multiple times whenever there’s a dick in your ass… but yeah, YOU’RE TOTALLY STRAIGHT. And don’t give me that “even straight men can find pleasure in getting fucked/having their prostate stimulated.” Sure they can – if it’s a woman doing it.

It’s not that I was deliberately maligning SC. I find it hard to generalize about them because they seem to have so many more guys and on average each guy has been in fewer movies. Plus I’m judging both companies by an extremely limited number of movies. When I think CF, I think Dawson, Connor, Aiden, and a few others, and all three of them seem almost to have made sex with men their religion. I guess they also seem a little more convincing, whereas sometimes with Sean Cody it’s a little more “ohyeahohyeahohyeah” as opposed to letting their real passion determine how much they moan and groan.

But no question both sites involve more emotion than CM.

@moondoggy Re your comments re CF, are you implying — by exclusion — that Sean Cody guys who are supposedly straight don’t show a similar enthusiasm for fucking?

Oops, should have been +1.

+2, although if the guys are pornworthy and there is a good, cum-swallowing BJ — or better yet some “limits stretching” (real or purported) — it’s still hot.

Cumming without stimulation by a hand, mouth, anus or whatever makes for a great visual in porn, even though it ironically also makes the orgasm less pleasurable.

They aren’t inherently stupid, IMO, but they are profoundly stupidly executed, just as the glory hole scenes are stupidly executed. If you see the guy walking over to you with a blindfold, it completely defeats the purpose of wearing the blindfold in the first place. If Tatum is the one putting on Brant’s blindfold, that should be edited out of the scene, but Bryan doesn’t seem to understand that.

@Feyd and litper, I think the question is not whether or not Bryan can find people to perform more competently (though I’m not convinced performance is the problem here), but why he is so invested in a certain concept of beauty that fetishizes such an aloof attitude toward the very thing they have been hired to do. That’s the one thing that I think now makes Corbin Fisher better. Even when the models claim to be straight (like Dawson and I think Connor?), they show a spectacular level of enthusiasm toward fucking AND getting fucked by other men, and that is why their insistence on their own straightness never offends me or intrudes on my fantasy.

true, isn’t it easier to find a horny gay guys on some hookup site nearby, than search the country for last remaining closet cases with fucked up sexuality. Or is CM hq in the middle of Antarctica?

Disgusting, really? I think there are things to like about Brant…

He’s got a nice body, his dick stays hard, no obtrusive tattoos, ginger pubes*… I mean, that Kelso – that’s gross, right there.

*That’s a bit of a personal thing for me. The first erect penis I ever saw was hooked up to this red-headed guy with really bushy pubes (it was in a straight porn magazine unfortunately). I’ve had a thing for them ever since.