Agreed man. / Say, are you out in LA?

You might make that argument here. I can’t tell who’s really in charge.

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That power dynamic and the psychological element is a big part of the hotness factor of those scenes. Sometimes it’s obvious who is in control, and sometimes it’s more subtle. Sometimes both parties are equal parts spider and fly.

Well that is one sub I’d watch no doubt.

I won’t sit here and tell you I am not more drawn to the athletic types, but I do like different body types as well. For me with those men – it has to do with personality more than looks – especially where those specific guys are concerned. Not really Hancock, I don’t include him in that bunch. I do love me some buxom ass, and some older guys make me weak in the knees. That applies in my sex life as well, but I have zero tolerance for assholes. Those guys are assholes.

The names that I named were specifically in reply to Scrapple, in support of his argument that the naked guy can be the dom and the clothed guy the sub. I wasn’t saying that all of those guys were part of my CMNM fantasy.

As for the rant, that’s okay. But apart from any *specific* personality, I would encourage you to have an open mind about the mixing of body types. It’s sort of like that sketch on SNL about sexual harassment, where one average guy said something to a woman and it came across as harassment. Tom Brady said the same thing while not even wearing pants, and it was labeled good office etiquette.

I read in your assessment an implication that a young guy with washboard abs should feel sick or ashamed if he has sex with an older man who doesn’t have that kind of body. I’m totally not judging you if that’s how your fantasies are wired. I’m not even sure that’s what you’re saying because there are so many complicating factors (like specific reasons why those directors rub people the wrong way even off camera). But personally, I can imagine no two people that you could put in a scene and have me say that one of them should be ashamed unless the other one was known to be a bad person. The more porn challenges the premise that people only belong together if they look similar, the more I’m inclined to appreciate it.

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Ugh.. Okay you had me until you named names.. Half that list makes my skin crawl. Jake Cruise is probably the single most revolting douche bag ever, followed closely by Bryan Ockert. You could see the look of almost pure revulsion in the models face in just about every scene that pig Cruise ever did. I can’t even imagine what it would take to get me to fuck that grimy pile of shit. Hancock pretty much fucked the pooch in every scene he ever did with his “cover up” shirts, the constant fumbling around trying to tuck them in far enough to be able to see his dick. ALL of them guys who in NO other setting for NO other reason would be getting anywhere NEAR the guys they fucked. TBH I carry almost equal disdain for the models who allowed themselves to be used like that, although who knows what kind of screws were turned on them to get them to do the scenes. I felt sick that I even watched the few I have seen, and do my best to avoid them now. The one thing I will say is that in Hancock’s case, and it sets him apart from the others – it may have been less revolting had he simply gotten naked because he was actually not a bad looking guy. I think his clothed scenes were spurned by the fact he was not comfortable with his own body enough to do so. The one you missed was Drake Rock – who was also a disgusting opportunist. When he about raped Shawn Lane raw it made me want to hurl. You could tell by the look on Shawn’s face he was so not into it – but the pig prevailed. I’m pretty sure that was the end of Shawn in gay porn. Sorry – but NONE of those guys represent porn to me. They are scantless garrulous oafs with big wallets, and someday karma being the wicked bitch she is will have her way with them. There IS a difference.

Sorry for the rant. I do see where you were going with it.. just a few personalities that I’d love to see under the wheels of a bus.

TOTALLY. There’s also the phenomenon of sub voyeurism and nakedness as a display of power. Herb Ritts, Bruce Weber, Mike Hancock, Dink Flamingo, Jake Cruise, and Bryan Ockert all created a paradigm in which the photographer could be the predator and the sub at the same time. Even though Bryan sometimes succeeded in making it more egalitarian, the majority of the time it was about looking at what you couldn’t have. The photographer involving himself in the scene meant that they could in fact “have” it, but every time that happened, it only served to reinforce the fact that the experience would be fleeting. For the photographer, it was about desire; but for the naked model, it was a transaction. That sounds depressing, but there really are ways to make that hot (especially, as with Mike and Bryan, when the photographer was undeniably appealing in his own way and not just a leach).

Clearly Justin Timberlake is not the “sub” in this image. Sadly, he’s not naked either, but you could imagine it going much farther without him ever losing the, um, upper hand.

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Sometimes the guy who is still clothed reads as the hornier one. His desire to fuck/get fucked is so high that he can’t be bothered with trivial things like removing articles of clothing. It’s all about urgency.

This one has the opposite vibe, not just because of who’s topping (although it’s kinda hard to be a sub top) but also because of the expressions on their faces.

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I think guys either get it or they don’t when it comes to CMNM. But generally, at least for me, the fantasy has to do with a difference in power. When one guy is clothed and the other is naked, one of them almost always comes across as dom and the other as sub, though surprisingly it’s not always consistent which one is which. Usually the naked one seems more in heat and therefore more the lapdog of the clothed one.

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LMFAO!! Alright now you are just plain shit stirring.

LOL well I will abdicate the argument for you – definitely not my thing. When I go to fuck a guy whether he is in my bed or on top of a bar in front of God and everybody, all clothing is cast off and it’s on. Hector is just way too hot to waste.

I must disagree, boyfriend. Clothed-male / naked-male is not a completely fringe fantasy, and yet very few sites cater to it. This is their thing, and they’re doing it pretty well here. The suit in the pool is kinda bizarre — the most they can do in that direction is to have them switch places, so that the one in the swimming suit is the one in the pool giving head. Otherwise, I clicked on this to hate on it, and every pic after the really weak cover image won me over completely.

The shot of Hector standing there with his dick out of his fly and Jay kneeling naked is mesmerizing to me.