Everyone’s so analincinerated over the fact that he’s not 210 lbs of “straight” muscle. When are you superficial queens going to learn that these guys are more than just their looks?

Maybe that’s why you keep fawning over white supremacists and felons. But it ain’t none of my business….

He’s cute and adorable, with a great personality (on top of actually having one that comes through on camera) who’s eagerness as a bottom I don”t see often in the industry as a whole (and again, it actually comes through on camera). He’s the right size for most tops, which is a majority of the SC lineup (who are mostly straight, with most of them only bottoming because the cheque is likely bigger and it’s actually not so bad once you’re used to it; not because they genuinely enjoy it). If you’re really that bothered by his physique, he did mention he’s working on it, so he could/will beef up like other originally-thinner SC models have. If that’s not good enough for you, good. More for me. I thoroughly enjoy him as-is, and I’m excited to see where he goes from here.

As for being at the wrong studio He’s far too masculine and unassuming-nerdy-boy-next-door for Helix (which some of you suggest he should be at), and he’d be wasted potential for that “no visible minorities except token diversity hires” studio anyways. So you’ve actually got it backwards, Helix takes the unwanted stereotypical pride-clubbing twinks with no other legitimate future because the entirety of their being is the fact that they’re femmy gay bottoms (which is trite and doesn’t scale wel over time). Both NDW and GISP would be nice studios for him, and he could always test his mettle at TT if he’s up for a real dicking. BSB/College Dudes would actually fit him better, but BSB has the obvious conflict due to him not being straight (which is the studio’s shtick); he’s not “basic post-college bro” enough for CF, and the minor niche sites don’t match his style, nevermind the fact that they’re mostly rapey and/or incest-themed, which doesn’t suit him. I think he’d do well in an international collab with one of the european studios as well. Maybe phone up Gabe Isaac for a scene or two.

My only complaint is that there’s a chance he’s a “1-hit wonder” like Charley was… Only 3/4 scenes and he retires. Maybe he’ll make a great return one day… like The Great Pete.

Everyone’s so analincinerated over the fact that he’s not 210 lbs of “straight” muscle. When are you superficial queens going to learn that these guys are more than just their looks?

Maybe that’s why you keep fawning over white supremacists and felons. But it ain’t none of my business….

He’s cute and adorable, with a great personality (on top of actually having one that comes through on camera) who’s eagerness as a bottom I haven’t seen in a while. He’s the right size for most tops, which is a majority of the SC lineup (who are mostly straight, with most of them only bottoming because the cheque is bigger and it’s actually not so bad once you’re used to it; not because they genuinely enjoy it)

He’s far too masculine and unassuming-nerdy-boy-next-door for Helix (which some of you suggest he should be at), and he’d be wasted potential for that “no visible minorities except token diversity hires” studio anyways. So you’ve actually got it backwards, Helix takes the unwanted stereotypical pride-clubbing twinks with no other legitimate future because the entirety of their being is the fact that they’re femmy gay bottoms (which is trite and doesn’t scale wel over time). Both NDW and GISP would be nice studios for him, and he could always test his mettle at TT if he’s up for a real dicking. He’s not “basic college bro” enough for CF, and the minor niche sites don’t match his style. I think he’d do well in an international collab with one of the european studios as well. Maybe phone up Gabe Isaac and have that donkey dick drop down his throat for a scene.

My only complaint is that there’s a chance he’s a “1-hit wonder” like Charley was… Only 2/3 scenes and he retires.

what ass? All I see is pancake

Exactly, SC doesn’t think they need to fix anything. They make a shit ton of money.

Here are some decent articles that go into the revenue of the porn industry, not specifically just the gay side. The money is insane. If you follow the estimate that online sites make 10 billion dollars a year and 10 percent of the population is on the “gay spectrum”, then 1 billion dollars of the porn industry is driven by the gay community (I would suggest more because more men watch porn than women). Where is that billion dollars in revenue coming from? Not Guys in Sweat Pants…as hot as Austin is and as much as I prefer his content over SC most days.

finance.yahoo.com/news/porn-could-bigger-economic-influence-121524565.html

theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/04/pornography-industry-economics-tarrant/476580/

The more you pull behind the curtain you find that MG is about to own all the porn and make more money than they can even imagine, because no one is watching them.

I didn’t say you were any part of any problem…I don’t see a problem, my comments are summarizing capitalism at it’s best. I guess, I suggest that not paying models more isn’t ideal and they should unionize…I realize they wont, for the reasons you mention. The savvy smart models know they are being fucked by studios. That is why people like Austin Wilde and others start their own shop.

The porn industry is a billion dollar industry and the busiest gay porn site is certainly making millions of dollars to contribute to that. Not recognizing that is what I mean by falling into the story studios tell customers and models. People thinking they are struggling somehow has been the studio M.O. “don’t steal our content, we wont be able to pay models”. They need to get out of here with that, trying to make consumers feel bad for their corporate greed. Yes, it hurts sites like GISP, but MG owns like 75% if porn in the US, they will be fine…that’s why they don’t care about the pirating. It costs more to go after pirates…something Jason at Corbin Fisher struggled to accept.

I realize MEN is flashy with it’s big budget–it doesn’t mean they make more money than SC–that is the MEN brand they likely are afraid to alter because they don’t want to shake up their product too much. SC was kicking MEN’s ass for years and still is with SC’s low budget films. Which is why MG was like…oh, that’s for sale? We’ll take it. NDS is another studio with a big budget that SC certainly makes more than monthly.

Reporting studios to the IRS relates to nothing. The IRS doesn’t care how much companies pay models, so long as it is minimum wage and they meet contractor minimums. Burns infiltrated SC when it was a minor company and that could happen anywhere…companies steal talent between all industries. Some companies value their employees…many do not. Studios then and even now treat models like they are all easily replaced. I have never heard of a studio chasing after a model…models quit and they say bye, let me get the door for you.

Mr. SC had some magic and he made a site that hit all of the things: high pay for models, “all-American” looks, low budget films so that money could go to payroll, limited content that made it feel special…I could go on. MEN and Corbin Fisher fucked up by over saturating their products releasing too many films and making popular models too available. Randy doesn’t come back much, because SC doesn’t want people to get tired of him….Randy doesn’t realize that, just like models didn’t get why they couldn’t/can’t be on social media. That is why Donald Burns was so obsessed with SC models, because they were rare finds…I’m sure he could have fucked the whole MEN’s roster and the studio wouldn’t even care. It really is fascinating how different SC is from other sites when you really parse it out.

Traffic doesn’t always equal revenue. If SC is pulling in millions of dollars, the IRS needs to audit the fuck out of that place because the receipts are not matching up to the product. They’re making that kind of coin, but they couldn’t stop Mr. Burns from poaching their models? That seems unlikely. Randy is one of their biggest stars, but they can’t bring him in for a scene more than every six weeks or whatever he said? None of that adds up. And yeah, when corporations take over the bottom line does get moved in an effort to increase profits. But Men is under that same corporate umbrella and their product is way more glossier and shinier than SC’s. And they’re working with established models. Models who have been in the business for a while and know their worth. They must be getting paid accordingly. Meanwhile what star power is SC attracting with their cheques? Remember that sorry recruitment ad they had not too long ago? That’s how bad things are.

I’m not sure I’m getting what “Thinking the way you and most people do about porn is what allows MG to screw over the consumer and performers” means. What way do I think about porn, and how does that translate to me being part of the problem?

As for the unionization thing, seems like a pipe dream. The reason studios treat models like shit is because the models treat themselves and each other like shit. That’s why certain nefarious studios and directors are still in the biz. Because there are always going to be models who refuse to heed the warnings and lessons which were already established.

It just doesn’t make any sense that a site that gets that much traffic doesn’t make millions of dollars. SC is getting just about as many visits a day as Ralph Lauren. It isn’t some random gay pornsite, it is the most visited gay porn site in America pulling in clicks that fortune 500 company sites envy.

I agree that the budget doesn’t make SC look like a massive revenue generating product…they want you to think that, they want the employees to think that. Unlike when Mr. SC was in charge and he actually cared what customers wanted. Big corporate money doesn’t care much about that. They certainly don’t see the need to pay a significantly higher rate to a performer for content that will eventually just be stolen and downloaded for free. That is part of the streamlining of costs that corporate takeovers implement to cut costs and bring home more money to investors.

Thinking the way you and most people do about porn is what allows MG to screw over the consumer and performers. That is why I think performers should unionize, requiring studios be more transparent in their revenue and advocate that they start to be paid a fair wage and even residuals. SC is still making money off of Stu while he’s off in his body dysmorphia haze. Before the Screen Actors Guild, actors were treated like shit and studios like Universal worked them like indentured servants.

I agree with all of that–I just think they’re making a lot of money doing it all.

I agree that MG bought SC not because they needed them, but they saw it as a new product line they rather have to make money from rather than let someone else have it. Different strokes for different Folks means the more they diversify their product offerings, the more people they can sell to. As you pointed out, they can also bundle products for incentives. Members subscribed to MEN know about SC, but they would not necessarily maintain two subscriptions so that offer requires they keep a subscription and have a second…what a deal, lol. And the download changes, thats a direct challenge to manage the younger viewer who may see part of a scene online and might pay for one scene, but not for an entire membership.

And I’ll stand by my original statement that even if SC threw the money I don’t think they have at models to get them to bottom, that wouldn’t change anything. The same issues would still be there. Them not even trying to fix those issues when it’s assumed they have millions in resources to do so is just as bad as if they didn’t have the resources to fix anything.

1) MEN makes millions of dollars, they are not losing money after their trips to Hawaii.

2) SC makes millions of dollars, they likely net more money because they don’t fly teams of people to Hawaii…SC will not get more subscribers by increasing their travel budget. They are not a flashy site, that is the MEN brand, the Falcon brand, LE brand….big budget, low wages. BROMO has never found it’s place or brand so they are always trying new things. SC does not need to change….its the number one gay porn site in America.

3) SC never had a lot of threesomes, you think they cut out three/four threesomes a year to save $10,000 on extra models? I don’t like threesomes and I suspect they didn’t get much interest in them so they stopped investing. It was happily part of the streamlining when the new bosses showed up.

4) “Guess who is back” was never a result of a performer being poached or renegotiating contracts, it was them taking a hiatus.

5) Burns poaching? He didn’t poach them. He fucked some of them and it was messy because production didn’t like that they lost control of their tight ship and they were in the national media. Some stopped. Some left. There was no fight with Burns. They held the door open for models to leave, because studios think models are replaceable and SC didn’t want any of that press attention….because they like being under the radar.

6) Of course the IRS cares what studios report as wages, didn’t suggest they don’t/ I’m sure SC’s 1099 filings are on-time and accurate each January.

Anyway, now we are spinning off into unrelated areas I never brought up. I stand by my belief that SC makes millions of dollars a year in profits; I understand you don’t agree.

I don’t think SC is running around with moth eaten pockets hanging out, trying to sell models a story of how destitute they are to lowball them. Don’t they have an infinity pool? I think a good deal of these models are smart enough to see if the wool is being pulled over their eyes. And it’s not like SC even pulls the “pirated content angle” because MG owns those sites, so they’re not bothered.

Men goes to islands. SC goes…to the woods. There’s no way they’re paying all that money for all those production costs if they’re not recouping those fees at least twice over. And it’s not just Men. Bromo’s production values have increased from what it was. And they’re another site attracting established performers. Like I said, SC doesn’t even do threesomes anymore. They’re making millions but they can’t pay three models for a scene instead of two?

The IRS thing was a joke about auditing. But rest assured the IRS certainly does care if the studio isn’t reporting those contracted wages correctly and if those models aren’t paying the correct taxes. Burns was still there when the buyout happened. Surely SC’s millions in revenue could’ve bought them a way to defend against Burns’ poaching. Like paying their models more so they wouldn’t feel the need to leave. Or moving the studio. The fact that the studio didn’t try hard to fight back makes me think they couldn’t. And the whole reason they got rid of Jarek and some of the others is because of the poaching. So they did care, and they knew not everyone was replaceable. As for the chasing thing, they’ve done that too. Have many of those “Guess Who’s Back!” things have they done in the last few years? All because they know they don’t have the star power they once did.

I never really saw the buyout as MG wanting in on a cash cow. I saw it as a way for MG to take out another direct competitor while adding another site under their umbrella. You can have a sub to one of the MG sites and pay a one time fee and get SC for life, so long as that sub is valid. I don’t think MG really cares about SC subs. They’re making money regardless of what happens with the site. That’s why they don’t have to put much money into it. As for the Fan sites, I forget how many monthly subs they have to maintain to start turning a profit. But those profits are easier to make when you don’t have any overhead. Most of those guys are using cheap video capture software, they’re not paying someone to shoot the content, they’re either paying the people in the scene chump change or nothing at all (if it’s a hookup who allowed it to be taped) and they’re not paying airfare and hotel fees. They throw up a few scenes a month and it’s easy for them to stack coins.

That non-cancellation bit probably applies more to older subscribers. The younger ones are already used to getting their porn for free and they’re watching it on smaller devices, so quality isn’t really an issue. Plenty of them balk at paying for something they can get without paying a cent. That age issue is also why some sites are slowly transitioning away from downloads at all, and opting to go streaming only. Because those younger patrons download far less than their older counterparts.

Sure, they’re probably pulling in coins, but I don’t think it’s enough coins to just write checks for huge amounts to have people bottom, like NNY was saying. Those days are gone.

That bundling thing actually doesn’t require you maintain that sub. Say you have a monthly sub to Men and you paid the one time fee to get Sean Cody. If your Men sub lapses and you renew, you’ll still have that second sub. So long as you use the same account. You would think once the main sub lapses you would have to pay again to get those bundles. But at least for now that isn’t the case.

It’s a mixed bag of problems. I view the whole “selling your company to a big franchise” as a club competing for student council budget in high school, which can be an insulting simplification for business. It performs well, sure, but not to a standard MindGeek holds to keep receiving investments you may need, not to mention you’re competing with other sites which are also doing well in term of traffic. That pay to download option can be what you said or another effort to make ends meet. Mobile gambling games who start releasing limited-time contents comes into my mind.

I think I need to stop because I’m rapidly showing how not adept I am in this type of conversation.

I don’t agree. MG didn’t buy SC from Mr. SC for fun–they knew they could make money off of them. Pulling in that much internet traffic and charging any rate, you are making a shit ton of money. These people over at Only fans are pulling in crazy numbers with little to no advertising/following. Remember, SC hardly even advertised 5 years ago, they are seeing more traffic than ever before. That place was truly run with little to no big business plan and they are now mostly left to their own with big business propping them up with behind the business supports now: new billing, new revenue streams, new advertising. All the while not returning that money to the original business and pocketing the rewards of their investments. All the orig SC group got were new cameras that none of them know how to use and maybe a 5% salary increase….of course that is after MG fired a slew of them, also standard when big business scoops up small business.

As I mentioned above, the scene rate charges for downloads is a direct big business move. They know that people are all over tube sites and torrents stealing content so this is only to recapture the loss of that decline.

Porn is like a Netflix subscription to many people. Sure, you can try and grab a password from your friend or keep logging into your ex’s account, but it really isn’t that much money to pay $9-30 a month. I’m sure they have people who have been paying $9 a month for 20 years and have little to no reason to cancel even if the content is stale and they log in once a month.

I think now SC is more like Snapchat. Once you start charging members for downloads, I think you’re making a statement about your financials. And that’s not adding in how many people still have those sub fees which are less than ten dollars. They don’t even do threesomes anymore. Probably because they can’t afford it.

Oh, MEN is making a shit ton of money too. I still suspect SC is making more; however, it is possibly MEN is bringing in more–I doubt SC is too far behind if that is the case. To MG, SC was it’s Instagram. IG has taken over FB.

SC is the most visited gay porn site in the US and MEN is the number one gay site in the world. Those two sites are doing hella well.

Sounds like the tale of a mom and pop shop sold off to a large conglomerate who streamlined an already profitable franchise, earning double what the original family ownership was able to do.

That is what happened and happens to every successful small business acquired by a corporation. The concern with companies streamlining, is the risk or hurting the franchise by not meeting the standards of the initial consumer.