Loving Andy’s scenes. Again, very effective here with Mason. Just wishing they’d space them out a bit more with other incoming models so that we don’t hit an Andy drought so quickly eventually. (I see they’ve already dropped a third scene with Brooks.)

That said, keep hm coming, CF!
(pun intended)

Loving Andy’s scenes. Again, very effective here with Mason. Just wishing they’d space them out a bit more with other incoming models so that we don’t hit an Andy drought so quickly eventually. (I see they’ve already dropped a third scene with Brooks.)

That said, keep hm coming, CF!
(pun intended)

But that’s my point. The site never said one way or the other about Max, and I think Elian too. They just put their scenes out. And the fact that Kellan has worked with Dane and Beau for so long and doesn’t know how they identify is telling. Some people know what they are, some people don’t. Some people do and decide not to share that part of themselves. Not every instance of the site not saying is them being duplicitous or trying to do a bait and switch. Can’t say I blame them either with Elian and Max, because for the longest time the gay identified models weren’t welcomed as warmly as the guys who identified as straight and bi. It was like as soon as subscribers found out a model was gay they were trying to stuff them into certain tired gay stereotypes.

Yeah, different perspectives for different people and that’s totally fine. I personally don’t care about how models identify as well, especially in their personal lives. They can be straight as hell in real life for all I care. That’s their business to mind. I’m just talking about the porn viewing aspect of it and their porn persona, and how I really didn’t like this gay to straight transition they did.

Man, you are so level-headed I wish I’m like you. I try my best, but there are situations like this Brooks thing that get to me sometimes. You see, with Max (and even with Elian), they never labeled him. They don’t do it like that anymore, and I’m happy about it. But the thing with being vague is that people make their own expectations and assumptions. So like I said, whether it’s intentional or not, they gave us false hope about Brooks. I get what you’re saying about some of these people who will get mad about it no matter what. They’ll never be happy whatever Corbin Fisher does. We’ve all seen them trash Corbin Fisher because they do straight scenes. Trust me, I thought about them too while I was processing this whole situation in my mind when I first saw it so I took them out of the equation. Forget about those who take issues with them doing straight scenes and what’s left are people like you and me who are okay with it. And that’s where I’m coming from. I was okay with it until they reversed the approach. And I’m sure I’m not the only one who got pissed about it. It’s like they gave me some chocolates and just when I was about to eat it, they took it back. Or like dating a guy for months and the whole time you knew he’s gay, then you introduced him to your family and you caught him checking out your sister. That hurts. Now, you mentioned that some people might not have given him a chance if he showed us he’s into girls at first. Sure, but what happens when you finally reveal he likes girls too? Same thing will happen. These people who initially gave him a chance will most likely take that chance back. You just prolonged their agony, but now the agony’s got some extra sting to it because of that false hope. You also talked about straight scenes being viewed as a prize by some people. I never saw it that way when they were doing the straight-gay-gay-straight order. But now that they did the gay-gay-gay-straight order, I can see why people viewed it that way. And I hate that I’m kinda seeing it like that in this situation ’cause I’ve always thought the prize thing was silly. So lemme not dwell too much on this prize talk. But yeah, my whole point is that I don’t think it was a good idea to reverse the approach and that I personally hated it. I think that the order of scenes DO matter, and I’m sure they know that especially because they’ve always used certain order of scenes in order to achieve a certain effect.

Wooh, that was a lot. Sorry I had to vent. Not trying to start an argument here. Just gving my two cents on the matter, that’s all.

Yeah, it’s typical with newbies. He’ll get better once he gets more scenes. But for a new guy, I’d say he did pretty well.

Regardless of whether his hitting on straight people crosses the line or not, people are already kinda sick of him and his drama an insecure woman’s video is all they need to jump off the bandwagon. Besides, he’s been showing down on his followers that he loves straight men because they give challenge as according to the tweet below (the other two people’s questionable morals aside) is just not.

https://twitter.com/dpaono13/status/1127282045141434368

The kid’s due for some humble pie moments, but Tati “I want to show everyone I’m not greedy by having nothing to do with endorsements and PR but I’ll be petty, entitled, and be passive-aggressive about it” Wesbrook is also at fault here. The way she was present during James’ talk about MUG/Marlena smells hypocrisy to me. No one is clean in this drama.

I guess I don’t see the false hope thing because there was never anything to hope for. I’m not dating any of these guys, so who they fuck offscreen has nothing to do with me. As long as they’re well-adjusted and semi decent people, that’s enough for me. There are plenty of models who only do porn because they have drug/alcohol addictions, or criminal histories they’re paying for, or because they’re pretty much destitute. That’s more disheartening than learning they’re doing it because they love sex, regardless of the gender. As for the prize thing, who’s to say Brooks wasn’t offered ass in exchange for pussy? He was attacking Andy like he was making up for lost time.

Those descriptions apply to most people who make their money off YouTube.

If you make it a point to hit on guys who identify as straight simply because that’s how they identify, that’s gross and it’s a problem. People aren’t trophies to win. They’re not battles to conquer. If you have yourself figured out, that’s great. But there’s no reason why you should be manipulating someone to be what you want them to be, especially if you’re not sticking around for the fallout and/or your intentions aren’t pure. Making it a game of “turning” straight guys is disgusting. It’s conversion therapy. If it’s unacceptable for straight people to do it to us, why is it okay for us to do it to them?

If you’re 18 or 19 you’re old enough to be tried in court as an adult. You’re old enough to vote. You’re also old enough to be called out on your bullshit, no matter what the age of the person doing the calling out. Back in the day if you were a kid doing something you shouldn’t be doing, the adults in the neighborhood would reprimand you if your parents weren’t around. That’s the problem with younger people today. They think they’re above being checked. Don’t do stupid things and you won’t have to be in that situation.

You mentioned Max and Elian, but to my knowledge the site or Max himself have never definitively said what he is. And I’ve long held the belief that he was either new to gay sex when he arrived, or new to sex period. My feeling is, Brooks came unlabeled, people gave him a chance and got to see him as a performer. Lots of people would not have given him that chance if they had said at the jump he likes girls too. Or they would’ve believed he was a phony bisexual. The same thing happened with Calhoun. At CM Bryan told us he fucked girls, but when he came here people seemed to have forgotten that. Then he did a straight scene, pearls were clutched and people felt bamboozled. I don’t think putting the straight scenes out earlier or later makes any difference. People will be mad either way. They’ll be even more mad if a model has a straight scene, does multiple gay scenes, then does a straight scene. They see that as the model being rewarded with pussy after all the dick. There’s no winning. That’s why I’ve stopped trying to label these guys (for the most part). Like I said on the other post to you, we don’t know where the truth lies. I focus on the performance and make my assessments on that. And even that isn’t foolproof because editing is involved.

Mason will get better once he forgets the camera is there. He already seems pretty comfortable, but that one thing was keeping him from really letting go.

Lol. But what if I want them not to hide the ass? In CF’s case there’s a sixth rule: “Hide Elian’s ass!”

what do you mean was funny? It still is Funny

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7e4c00f620e8c1c06c77257cc5a1aa667126a3da3fdb6425e67cb0143b3829bc.gif

Aww…when “Will and Grace” was funny.

I’m not bothered with anyone doing straight scenes (unless they’re really gay like Max and Elian). I watch their straight scenes most of the time and I have no problem with it. I just hate this approach of doing gay first before straight ’cause it led people into believing he’s like Max and Elian, which is a rare find in Corbin Fisher. Personally, I’d like to know if a guy’s into girls right from the very beginning. It may or may not be intentional, but they really gave people false hope. Be transparent. If a model’s into girls, give us his straight scene right away. What they did with Brooks feels more like a straight woman’s fetish. If they do this again with Andy, I’d get real vexed. Now, I know it looks unlikely for Andy to be doing straight scenes, but we’ll never know. After all, I thought that too with Brooks.

As for this new scene, I’d say I enjoyed it. Mason’s topping is not that impressive, but this is something he can improve on. I didn’t really feel the connection at first ’cause Mason paid more attention to Andy’s hole than Andy himself, but as soon as they did that sideways fucking I was like, “Yep, that’s it”. I really like that position, especially when they were kissing while still fucking and Mason was almost hugging Andy. Sorta like how Max did it with Elian and Beau. And the way he was holding the back of Andy’s neck… ugh! It’s like an I’ll-take-good-care-of-you move from a top and it’s super hot! Lawd… I suddenly remember that Bronson/Timmy scene.

Regarding Mason and cheating his arm — Someone once wrote, The first five and most important rules of making porn are: 1. Don’t hide the dick. 2. Don’t hide the dick. 3. Don’t hide the dick. 4. Don’t hide the dick. 5. Don’t hide the dick. I wish all porn performers and directors were required to memorize these rules. LOL

Lol. I misread that post as “I don’t think anyone else directs Cameron’s scenes.” Now I see the slam.

When you mentioned fake cumshot, my mind either had “Ellis can’t ejaculate since he’s not interested in gay sex at all” or “Quinn really didn’t enjoy their rematch he had to fake his cumshot like Kurtis Wolfe on his scene with Sergeant Miles.”

I kinda get the feeling NDS owner is not giving any attention or care to anything at this point which may explain the possible lack of restrictions on off-site things. If he wants to fraternize with other models without getting the consequences, I don’t understand why he didn’t go to CM in the first place. DIdn’t Bryan write something about two of their models exchanging numbers?

Quin mostly lost me a long time ago. Even if by some bizarre twist of fate every outrageous claim he has made about Jason and Kellan and Tom are true (which I highly doubt), he still had it pretty damn good for a number of years. He had sex with a long parade of uber-hotties and got to travel to a lot of cool places. Not to mention the exposure it gave him, which led to things such as a wealthy fan furnishing his house. Like too many people nowadays, he quickly forgets all that was given to him and instead wants to focus on the negative. I can’t stand people like that.

At least he had the business sense to get the fuck away from Utah and go to Los Angeles. But then again, what’s the point? I’ve never understood the appeal of OF. Who wants to watch low-quality videos where you can’t see his partner’s face? Is this moving up in the world?

Sure, he might be doing new scenes with people like Nathan Styles and Dante Colle, but again, what is the point? They’ll just seem like scenes Corbin Fisher could have put out 4-5 years ago and maybe did. Heck, if I was Jason, that might not be a bad marketing strategy: talk about all the new models he has nowadays and how NDS is using all of their moldy oldies.

Brooks having done a straight scene would only bother me if it proved gay sex was something he was faking his way through. That wasn’t my impression. It’s not like they’ve haven’t gone this route before. Kellan just had a straight scene. Aiden did several after he had done gay scenes for a while. In none of those instances did the pussy that came after negate the penis that came before.

Oh definitely. However, pulling the Quinn card and creating scenario that put the ones speaking out on higher pedestal often trick people and make people forget they are still as problematic. That’s the most infuriating part.