yeah, again you missed the point -and I said i wasn’t going to argue on that one thing he did good in his presidency, alas, when I went into detail it was explicitly as an example, never as an argument/response to your appeal for me accounting for the above mentioned good deed in his presidency. And I don’t seek upvotes, just a frank answer to my first comment, which was never given to me; in fact, it was denied on various grounds but not even on the question itself.

wait, I didn’t noticed I deleted something. My last reply was the one starting with “you asked me to name”; what did I delete? (at this point, hell! even after your my second comment in this thread all got irrelevant to the Issue and the debacle got boring in a comment or two after)

YES! especially Bernie Sanders, I rooted for him last time. Idk about Biden, if some wikileak á la Hillary comes out, It can’t be as bad as that borderline State Terror she was colluded with; I can’t say much about him, he does look like in paper superficially, another Billary/Obama/Carter… In that case, It’s hard no the make the Case for Trump (<3 Davis Hanson's "A war like no other" and he got some hate on that book. Interestingly, No-one got to rebuke his Case, although they did raise issues on the statistics and interpretations he did in particular points, but not on the general Premise); because as many other democracies, USA is as divided as 68' before elections up yo 89 or 70.); I really imagined the democrats, liberals and libertarians would put their shit together by now, but they haven't. Maybe 2024? I want to see him soundly defeated, but not by Hillary or Next-Door-Carter guy which would just make things worse, like the EU's 2017 election results; what I dread is the prospect of the day after a Crisis like that of 2001, which would hit the World who hasn't done anything in terms of change or even outlook, 10 years after the Big C.

I agree, but that was never my point, I even established the reservation “beyond his person”

You need to be gone before someone drops a house on you.

Are you serious?

You can keep your “queens” to your self.

Hayden Breyer’s Ice-Cream.

Wait, who’s his boyfriend?

And since you are a coward who deleted your last post, here is my response to that:

Oh yes, because Lord knows the rich have it so hard in life. They need more tax cuts and all the help they can get. Please. You’re not fooling anyone here. Nobody’s supporting you or upvoting you. Republicans still support the failed “trickle down economics”, which failed decades ago and still fails today. That’s because rich people, like Trump, horde all the money they can and don’t give to the needy. Do you know Trump said “You can never be too greedy”. Do you know how little the many multi-times billionaire has given to charity?

As far as Obamacare goes, I have health and dental and vision and life insurance for the first time in years and years because of Obamacare, and so do millions of other Americans (mainly pooper Americans that needed it). Trump proposed a repeal of Obamacare and a promised to “replace it with something down the road”. A bill which was torpedoed — by his own damn party. It’s truly remarkable he had a Republican Senate and a Republican house the first two years of his Presidency and still got squat accomplished.

As far as you go, if you love Trump so much, you should be forced to live with him and the Republican party ruling every aspect of you life. They would probably take away all of your rights, bankrupt you with their tarrifs and trade wars and taxes, and then, when you’re down in the gutter begging for help, maybe us Democrats would help you. Or maybe we’d kick you in the head and tell ya you should have known better.

You bore me so welcome to my ignore list. But by all means, keep parading around here with your 5 upvotes.

Have you read the replies? If he’s slow, he’s covering by trying to sound like a philosophy PhD. So, he could be slow. It could be the old Dunning-Kruger effect. Or he could just be a pretentious person. Hard for me to say. But not interesting enough for me to puzzle out. A Trump defender is not interesting to me.

You asked me to name one, I did. I didn’t say the “economy is great”. I didn’t even lay a zilch to back up my claim, you are simply begging the question. If my syntax leaves that impression, It may be because that’s the way I talk and in Spanish (and the way I think).
On trump’s record: I agree, the 5 elements are right, and I even agree on the ethical implications (on civil rights and bulk of families living and working off-coasts, as shameless and impossible to defend this overlooks by calling on “priorities first” or worse, saying this is not hurting anyone [civil rights rollback, in this case]). I am not from there, but you can’t appeal to personal anecdote to either enhance any logical, sensible, argument, and erode mine (for the lack of).
I just want, to be really forward, ummm, frank, candid, 2 things: being a supporter of Trump may carry some gross correlations in political character, but its dubious and stiflingly stereotypical, this is not a Traditional or Progressive Republican Candidate, and I despise his persona, its revolving to the point I can imagine he is like that in his private life >.< and, to re-assert that he is better (even if we measure by more welfare standards, then "lesser detriment") than at least Obama and Bush. We can say "ok, Obama got hit by the Great Recession", which would push me to remember Roosevelt and the Great Depression, and how he dealt with it, between 33 and 36, incredibly elaborate and truly heterodox approaches to economy and policing: by 1937 the difference to 1932 was staggering. Obama bailed the banks and set forth if not a mechanism, a tactic without strategy at that point, 2008, and why not, precedent for the next economies hit: Japan and England first, by 2010 it reached every country. Not to mention the "national security" hit from Bush's War on Terror epoch to the PAtriot Act, which are ALL in execution at the moment; The obama care itself is worse than the 2017 tax cut, and we can go on and on and debacle this topic into meager petty policing and "what if" and contextualizing de-contextualizing the presidencies. I thank you for that last comment, you were much more forthcoming, and precise on the critiques, I think we're both sensible people, "human too human", even though so different in personality and whatnot; I don't even want to imagine what would have been with Hillary as President, the whole Libya affair still gives me the goosebumps. On the bright side, the Entire foreign policy of USA was dropped, after 70 years of Marshall Plan, Cold war alignment, and Security Council sort of De facto hegemon of the "west bloc", IT's be good for USA, from the IRAQ disengagement to recalibrating who's who to America, bringing National Interests again to geopolitics. Surprisingly, the Rich people tax cuts did bring some industry back to the USA; and the best thing, although not his deed, both the parties had and have to reconfigure internally, since after Trump Foreign Policy cannot rollback, which for me will be the "legacy" infamous or not, of Trump. Ok, have a nice week, i'm glad i get the sense I sort some shit out and got your message on 2 levels that wasn't indicative before.

I think you’re trying to come off as holier than thou, but it’s just not working for you. I asked you to name one thing he has accomplished as president and you’ve failed to do so…numerous times. There are many, many factors as to why “the economy is great”. Simply laying that at Trump’s doorstep and having zilch to back it up is not making you look good at all.

And to that extent, let’s examine Trump’s record: He ran on a campaign to build a wall to keep immigrants out and have Mexico pay for it. Neither has happened. He vowed to do away with Obamacare and replace it with” something better”. Neither has happened. Even with the latest mass shootings, he teased another attempt at doing something, only to back out. He’s engaged in trade wars that have resulted in tariffs that have hurt American farmers, rolled back numerous protections for LGBT Americans and didn’t bat an eye when abortions were banned in numerous states, including for rape and incest. The assorted hicks and rubes that put him in office are mostly too dumb to realize he has hurt them and not helped them, and everybody else already knew he wouldn’t help them to begin with.

I think you stated in one of your previous posts you weren’t from America? I am and know firsthand the damage this man is causing. So I think you’re out of your element in trying to have an intelligent discussion about him.

How is Trump banning trans people of ANY RELEVANCE whatsoever to the Issue at stake? And even if, I’m spouting asinine nonsense, that won’t ever make the case either as a rebuttal of the judgement I accuse of being implicit in the complete disregard for something out of ethical/emotional grounds (“I don’t want anything to do with this Trump voters/semblances”), nor as -at least- reaffirmation of this accusation. I know it was very a condensed comment with too much going around and no resolution of any of the “problematic ideas” there: I tried to state just that, many predicates and ideas together yet disgregate, because I tried to exaggerate by mocking the same rhetorical devices used to, in the first place, hold together the motives for judging in the first place.

You do realize that the last 4 comments (including this) where made as if we are both having a monologue:
You asked me about an accomplishment, of this president. I stated 1, which had some track from 2016 and subject, of course, like any accomplishment, to conditions of possibility; one may argue that “it is not an accomplishment of someone that the tree grew, because it would have anyways” <-- That's how I took your derision, then asking me to account for said accomplishment. I then refused to do so: I wasn't going to indulge in that argumentative line, or topic, or secondary discussion, because I know if I do, I hold it as legitimate and also for a second, and third, and more questions that would undermine each statement I give: not the iteration I want to spend the time in. And anyone can imagine me giving certain evidence, you asking about "how those came about", and so on.... Now, that last comment, it can't possibly be a response; I had just stated I wouldn't name stuff for the sake of some formality to the issue at stake, the one stated before you commented the first time. Why didn't you address that? or dismiss my previous comment without again lapsing into that of which I just accused you of: fallacy

Just as I suspected. You can’t name one thing he’s done to benefit mankind.

Freedom of speech doesn’t come without consequences. Say what you want, but you’re gonna get called out if you spout asinine nonsense much like you’re doing now. I feel shame for narrow minded oafs like you that go blind when the problem is right in front of them, much like you’re going blind when Trump has banned trans people from joining the army. Please go away, I’m not gonna waste any more time with you.

I don’t get the Orange Grinch metaphor.And now, not supporting the LGBT community renders the person, his humanity and everything closely linked, a seal if you want, all together, corrupt?
If i’m behaving like a Dick is because its irritating to hear this kind of comments with such resentment (god forbid I go Devil’s advocate), when the most upfront, concrete questioning or critique is, as the limit/height, posed to said attitude/comments, I’m now dismissed, by ethical and pathetic grounds, never a sound, logical or reasonable one… evidently Free Speech is no longer a thing in USA, and i thought it was only in campuses this political correctness’ Regulated Speech. If that is what it’s as stake, I would rather feel shame for the LGBT than try and reason, let alone propose something different at any social or political level whatsoever… The grammar nazi meme might as well become a badge of honor. “Warn other people about me (petitio principii); I must be joking (fallacy)”. such hypocrisy!

lol really? kick the stone if you like, not going to elaborate after that argumentum ad lapidem. Otherwise this can go on and on looking for the right conclusions without end