ChaosMen: Taylor & Vander (RAW PISS)

WTF is up with CM?!

First they did the blindfolded fantasy sequence with the hands tied behind the back, as well as depriving the models of sensory input with the headphones; like a hostage.

Then they started doing bareback porn, that they have continued for every DUO update; even though a lot of people seemed to have an issue with it.

And now they have introduced pissing, into their porn.

(Screen with a cream pie and pee, almost made me hurl)

Seriously WTF!
WTF is going on in the mind of Brian Ockert?

Is CM turning into a BDSM site? If so I’ll PASS!

I sooooo agree! What’s so great about being p***** on anyhow? I would love to hear the explanation. Hand me the PASS button; I’m with you!@

i majorly disagree, but this is the internet and i support you saying it. too bad about your weak stomach. hahaha
the cream pie and piss gave me a boner

Oh Tyler, I always have wanted to one day make out with you but dude after this revelation I have changed my mind. I agree with FAZZ. I don’t see the golden shower and plain pissing as an erotic thing either. I believe that SCAT and GOLDEN SHOWERS are for the ones that have had way too much sex in their lives and nothing excites them anymore. So they go for the weird stuff just to get an edge. The ones that have forgotten how nice it is to have vanilla sex and truly enjoy it.

Tyler, just when I think you can’t get any more delicious, you go and do. Well played, sir.

I’m into really into piss either, but if done by two hot guys in a hot scene …

Moreover, I’m totally down with whatever Taylor does. Period.

It is the New Year, so it’s almost excusable that Brian and the crew are High. Don’t know what kind of hallucinogens they were on when they shot this vid, but it sure tops my list of most disgusting.

I totally disagree… This scene was f*cking amazing. Taylor and Vander are great, I can’t avoid get hard everytime I see them. I dont know why but the unshaved pelvis of Taylor drives me crazy and Vander so masculine lets me speechless.
By the way, no other site has as good imagen resolution as this one, when I see the videos I think the image is better than reality. I feel like being there with them.

Let’s look at the facts.
Urine contains:
Urea (Broken down protein)
Uric acid
Bile salts
Dead bacteria
Salt Crystals
Chloride
Ammonium
Blood
Nitrate
Creatinine

Wow doesn’t that just give you suuuch a huge boner? I know it does me! (Sarcastic)

There is nothing about this that is “hot” / “sexy” / “delicious” / “Amazing” in the least.

You forget that urine is sterile. So piss is fine, there aren’t health risks unless its not fresh urine.

CowboyDenver Answered that quite well further down Argentsly.

Well done CowboyDenver.

Semen contains
aboutonia, ascorbic acid, blood-group antigens, calcium, chlorine, cholesterol, choline, citric acid, creatine, deoxyribonucleic acid, fructose, glutathione, hyaluronidase, inositol, lactic acid, magnesium, nitrogen, phosphorus, potassium, purine, pyrimidine, pyruvic acid, sodium, sorbitol, spermidine, spermine, urea, uric acid, etc…

ewwwwwwwwwwww! hahaha

Tyler your point being? Not really like any one was going mad over how hot Semen is. lol

Ergo your point is mute.

my point is that if someone finds something hot you dont need to try and shame them into your point of view with scientific facts because they are irrelevant in porn. hello!
do you do this in horror movies too?

the expression is “your point is moot” not ‘mute’.
and my point isn’t. what others get is that if someone is turned on by an act they consider sexy, science has little to do with it! if one finds cock-sucking gross would telling them about the germs on a penis help deter them?
so trying to shame people into your viewpoint by listing the chemical breakdown of urine is as silly as listing the chemical breakdown of any bodily fluid as an argument against it.
as long as the people are consenting adults who are of sound mind and it turns them on i say go for it even if i dont wanna see it or share in it or watch it.
and if you say you weren’t trying to shame me or anyone by our admitting this turns them on then you might re-read your comments directed at people who enjoy this scene

Look Tyler. I’m not here to appease you or anyone else for that matter. But if you go ahead an urinate on someone with the full knowledge that you might actually be doing harm to that person, if that urine comes in contact with soft tissue, with the eyes, ears, mouth or with internal organs through the anal opening; then indeed I would oppose you, because that’s doing harm to others. As another member here noted, urine is not sterile when it passes the urethra. And seeing as urine contains bacteria there is a chance that the one on the receiving end could get an infection.

Why risk it? Because you find it sensual?

The argument that it’s two consenting adults has been used way too often, to justify these types of things. How far would you want to take that?

And my comments are not phrased in such a way as to shame those involved, they are actually quite informative, seeing as some people might not know or understand the risks.

However the people that do understand the risks should be ashamed because they know what harm they can do.

It’s like when HIV was first discovered. People would refuse to believe in it, until they were infected.

And indeed this is how disease can be created and how could spread, through fairly innocuous acts, that the body reacts to, that reaction can cause a chain of events to take place withing the biological systems inside the body and this in turn could create a mutation within certain cells.

Or let’s take the example of semen, which contains trace amounts of Urine. I’ll quote Wikipedia:

“Further research, such as that by Mathur and Goust, demonstrated that non-preexisting antibodies were produced in humans in response to the sperm. These antibodies mistakenly recognized native T lymphocytes as foreign antigens, and consequently T lymphocytes would fall under attack by the body’s B lymphocytes.”

Or in the case of Urine:

“The urethra contains bacteria, hence many urine therapy practitioners use mid-stream urine, in order to allow the first few seconds of urination to wash out the bacteria within the urethra[…]”

So I do oppose it. And i have full rights to do so, because what you do, could affect other people in a negative and harmful way.

Urine is basically water (95%) with Urea as its main component (2.5%). Minerals, salts, hormones, and enzymes make up the rest of it. A complete list of Urine components can be found online.
Urea, which is an antifungal, antibacterial and antiviral agent. Urea is produced when the body tries to balance the ratio of sodium chloride with water. Because of its ability to kill bacteria and limit inflammation, urea is often used in ointments and lotions.
Urine therapy is supposed to cure a variety of ailments ranging from Arthritis, Cancer, Hepatitis, Multiple Sclerosis, Eczema, Psoriasis, Diabetes, Herpes and adrenal failure. It is commonly used to combat venom from snakebites, jellyfish and bee stings. Urine is the main ingredient in infertility drugs.

Wow, Fazz. I’m sorry, but that was a painfully ridiculous comment.

“But if you go ahead an urinate on someone with the full knowledge that you might actually be doing harm to that person, if that urine comes in contact with soft tissue, with the eyes, ears, mouth or with internal organs through the anal opening; then indeed I would oppose you, because that’s doing harm to others. As another member here noted, urine is not sterile when it passes the urethra. And seeing as urine contains bacteria there is a chance that the one on the receiving end could get an infection.” -Fazz

Urine is not necessarily sterile after passing through the urethra only because it may wash out bacteria that was previously residing in said urethra. Unless the urethra is currently afflicted with a major urinary tract infection, the quantity and kind of bacteria present in the expelled urine would be relatively innocuous. The saliva exchanged during kissing is more bacterially hazardous than urine. Thus this can be no reason to denounce and censor piss porn on the basis of “indecency” without likewise denouncing and censoring kissing.

“Or let’s take the example of semen, which contains trace amounts of Urine. I’ll quote Wikipedia:
‘Further research, such as that by Mathur and Goust, demonstrated that non-preexisting antibodies were produced in humans in response to the sperm. These antibodies mistakenly recognized native T lymphocytes as foreign antigens, and consequently T lymphocytes would fall under attack by the body’s B lymphocytes.'” -Fazz

That research by Mathur and Goust was studying “25 infertile couples in which both the males and females had significant antisperm immunity.” In other words, those specific patients had a rare preexisting disorder: they were allergic to sperm. People without this allergy do not show any such adverse biological reaction to sperm.

“And my comments […] are actually quite informative, seeing as some people might not know or understand the risks.” -Fazz

Hahaha. I couldn’t help but laugh at that one.

Quite to the contrary, your comments are actually severely misinformative. If you want to be helpful, then I would advise you to think twice before attempting to relate “information” you gleaned from skimming a wikipedia article that you don’t even have the educational background to understand.

Fazz your wisdom precedes the goals of human desire, and that sets you apart from the spectrum of people whose naivity blinds them.

As for anyone who believes urine is completely sterile and a safe bathing agent, why don’t you try pissing on yourself and letting it dry out. Or better yet, have someone else piss on you, and happily sport your new rash at work. In fact, don’t wash your hands at all after you go to the bathroom, apparently its perfectly hygienic in your books ;)

And Fazz, I’m very impressed you pulled that research out on T lymphocytes. Your information is highly valid in this discussion, and it’s purpose has not been to shame anyone. Personally, I apologize to anyone who feels attacked by what I’ve had to say, I am only expressing my disgust at the act of pissing on people, but I have no hard feelings for the people that choose to do it.

@encephallus

RE: “That research by Mathur and Goust was studying “25 infertile couples in which both the males and females had significant antisperm immunity.” In other words, those specific patients had a rare preexisting disorder: they were allergic to sperm. People without this allergy do not show any such adverse biological reaction to sperm.”

The above is a single study that fazz was quoting without going into significant detail. Unless you are an academic or qualified researcher in a medical field, you hold little credibility to say with certainty what percentage of people, with or without a sperm allergy, will show any adverse reaction.

And as for bacteria residing in urine, it is a well-known fact that the more concentrated the urine, the greater the bacteria.
When talking about saliva exchange, that is highly relative to the hygienic practices of each person. Waste products are not filtered out of my mouth as a bi-product of the food Ingest.

encephallus please read up more about the issue before trying to form an argument. And disagreeing with me with no basis is not going to get you anywhere.

The studies i cited are quite clear. And the rest of the statement i made should be fairly obvious to a person with an education higher than high school or any person who reads scientific magazines or keeps him/her self informed on the current research.

Read a little and come back later, if you have a competing valid argument.

And as for Tyler; perhaps you should try quoting more than a few sentences designed to make your point.
It’s interesting that just after your quote the article states:

“Unfortunately, these claims are not documented as scientific literature and are based on testimonials of individuals. The American Cancer Society claims that “No well-controlled studies published in available scientific literature support the claims that urotherapy can control or reverse the spread of cancer.”

We all know how objective personal testimonials can be, that is not at all.

As for the urea, you are stating bodily functions. Urea is broken down protein, that has served it’s use and is getting discarded as a waste in the urine. I already said that earlier.

But if you want take golden showers, then by my guest. I’m not going to spend any more time trying to convince you. :)

@AshBry

“Fazz your wisdom precedes the goals of human desire, and that sets you apart from the spectrum of people whose naivity blinds them.” -AshBry

Irony at its finest!

“The above is a single study that fazz was quoting without going into significant detail. Unless you are an academic or qualified researcher in a medical field, you hold little credibility to say with certainty what percentage of people, with or without a sperm allergy, will show any adverse reaction.” -AshBry

Hahaha.

1) Fazz wasn’t quoting a study. He simply copied and pasted a sentence from wikipedia. He didn’t even look at the actual study–I did. I quoted the study.

2) Fazz quotes wikipedia and you immediately receive his word as expert testimony. Then when I counter his point with a quote from the actual scientific research paper you become a hardened skeptic and demand to see a Ph.D. before granting any credence to any research that I so much as point to. So, which of us is blinded by our “naivity [sic]” again?

3) Fazz’s semen comment never had anything to do with the harmfulness of urine in the first place. It’s a non sequitur. Even if contact with sperm was somehow harmful to a vast proportion of humanity, it doesn’t matter, since the controversy and censorship here is because of the urine, not the semen. If you wanted to justify censoring piss porn while tolerating any porn in which there contact with semen, then you’d actually need to argue that urine is somehow more harmful than semen. Yet here Fazz is condoning CCBill’s censorship of piss porn but not semen porn.

@Fazz

“The studies i cited are quite clear.” -Fazz

Except, you did not even cite any studies.

You linked to an about.com article that questioned the potency of urine at neutralizing jellyfish stings. It never claims that bodily contact with urine is harmful in itself. In fact, the about.com article you referred to actually claims that the chemistry of urine is similar enough to fresh water that treating a sting with urine would likely have the similar results as treating the sting with fresh water.

You quoted a few sentences from wikipedia.org stating that expelled urine can carry bacteria cleared from the urethra. I already granted the fact that expelled urine is not sterile. My point is that semen, sweat and saliva can and do also carry bacteria (and probably even much more than urine does). So, if piss porn deserves to be censored on the grounds that expelled urine is not sterile, then logically any porn that includes transfer of semen, sweat or saliva should similarly be censored. It is logically impossible to argue the premise that you are arguing without implying that all porn containing the transfer of semen, sweat or saliva should be banned.

I take no ones word as expert testimony, I said I was impressed with Fazz on grounds that he pulled research AND for being informative in his responses throughout this debate. He was the first to speak of urine content and be puzzled by how anyone can be turned-on by pissing or being pissed on. Was it unacceptible or wrong for him to show a negative reaction, I mean are we all to just post in praise of the porn gods for giving us a new taste for human excretions? Oh that’s right, we’re just another bunch or intolerant homophobes, prudes and bigots if something like piss turns us off. I forgot that homosexual people are meant to accept and engage in a wide plephora of human waste products.

Encephallus, I don’t see your point. You’re trying to dissect my argument piece by piece quite ineffectively.

Yes i copied and pasted, and why? Because that’s what you do. One finds something that strengthens ones argument and that happens to be true and then copies that and pastes it into the argument as a quote. The information stated by me is the work of scientists and not my self, people who know what they are talking about. Unlike you.

I will not engage in something I know nothing about and look like a fool like you are doing over and over.

The fact is that every quote I used is completely factually correct. Ashbury is right to point out that you are not someone who has any background in the field. And indeed neither do I; however i took the time to look up the information I took the time to inform you of the dangers. I gave you facts; you countered with criticism with absolutely no factual evidence, or any citing or quoting of scientific papers.

The semen comment was used to answer Tyler. And indeed semen contains trace amount of urine and if you are going to be thorough then you might as well look for a greater connection, as I have done.

I have over and over strengthened my argument and I have over and over given you facts that prove what I have been talking about. You refuse to accept it and you are very hostile in your standpoint.

As for the jellyfish article. It clearly states that because urine contains so much water the jellyfish tendril can react to it and release more poison into the wound. Further the article states that there is no scientific proof that urine actually helps during a jellyfish sting. And that the “proof” comes from personal accounts. I don’t take much comfort in personal accounts.

This argument was about urine, and it was sidetracked into one about semen. If we are to argue about that and about sweat we will indeed be here for quite some time. I choose only to tackle this particular issue at this point, and we can come back to the others at another time. Or even better, we wont.

I will not be budged in my position because I don’t want people to walk around blind and think that they will be fine while engaging in this sexual practice. If you refuse to consider the facts and refuse to accept them, that is an issue that YOU have to tackle with. I’m not going to try to convince you further, simply because it would be futile. I would indeed compare you to a bigot on an internet forum that refuses to accept any truth and refuses to take in anyone elses information, instead choosing to remain close minded, ignorant and hostile.

Therefore I will no longer answer to any further statements from you on this issue. There is no point to repeating my self when you have eyes to read with.

I would however kindly suggest that you inform your self about more than your peripheral view.

“Encephallus, I don’t see your point. … Yes i copied and pasted, and why?” -Fazz

My comment about your copy-and-pasting was in response to AshBry (you can tell by the @AshBry, you know?), regarding how he was “very impressed you pulled that research”. I was simply commenting that pulling a sentence of “research” from a wikipedia summary seems really trivial. That point was clearly addressed to AshBry, not you, and it was not part of my critique of your argument.

“Ashbury is right to point out that you are not someone who has any background in the field.” -Fazz

1) It’s spelled AshBry. >_>

2) My expertise is not relevant to the argument. Even if the argument came from the village idiot, as long as the the logic is sound and observations are true, then the argument holds water.

3) But since you are so insistent that it is important, as a matter of fact I have a degree in Molecular and Cell Biology (among others) from one of the top research universities in the U.S. I have studied general biology and human physiology for years. I am presently employed full-time as a research associate in a neuroscience research laboratory that studies novel gene therapy approaches to treating inherited retinal degeneration disorders and I have contributed to actual published, peer-reviewed biology research. But, of course, me telling you this is pointless, since you will simply choose not believe a word I say, as has been your routine throughout.

“The information stated by me is the work of scientists and not my self, people who know what they are talking about. Unlike you.” -Fazz

I am, in fact, a professional scientist. I read actual scientific research papers (not just wikipedia summaries). Again it’s pointless, since you’ll just call me a liar so that you can continue to blindly ignore the validity of my points.

“I gave you facts; you countered with criticism with absolutely no factual evidence, or any citing or quoting of scientific papers.” -Fazz

Unfortunately, the facts you provided (i.e. that expelled urine carries bacteria that it picks up from travelling through the urethra) did not prove your claim that piss porn is outrageously harmful and should therefore be banned. Once again I repeat, nowhere in any of the sources you referenced is the claim made that contact with urine is substantially harmful in general.

Now here are my factual claims: No bodily contact or fluid transfer of any kind in porn is sterile. The air you breathe is not sterile. Unsterile does not necessarily mean toxic.

Given this fact that unsterile does not imply toxic, the fact that expelled urine is unsterile does not imply that urine is toxic. Therefore, if you want to claim that piss-play is harmful you’ll need to do better than just stating the fact that expelled urine contains bacteria.

If you think some factual statement I make or have made is false, then please tell me specifically which statement of mine you disagree with and briefly explain why you disagree. If you do me this simple discussion courtesy (as I have done time and again for you), then I will gladly find the proper research to back up my statement. Doing so could bring new enlightenment to both of us (and to anyone else reading this discussion), which is the reason why proper debate is good.

“As for the jellyfish article. It clearly states that because urine contains so much water the jellyfish tendril can react to it and release more poison into the wound. Further the article states that there is no scientific proof that urine actually helps during a jellyfish sting. And that the “proof” comes from personal accounts. I don’t take much comfort in personal accounts.” -Fazz

I never claimed that urine helps treat a jellyfish sting, so I don’t know why you are even mentioning this to me.

However, this claim (from your source) that urine is composed primarily of water actually seems to support the notion that contact with urine is probably relatively innocuous in general.

“I will not be budged in my position because I don’t want people to walk around blind and think that they will be fine while engaging in this sexual practice.” -Fazz

There you go again, asserting that your claim (i.e. contact with urine is substantially harmful) requires no proof and is fundamentally irrefutable. Sorry, but I disagree.

Piss play is hot, and these two huge cock studs doing it adds to the bareback fucking. i like this kinda thing more man/boy, big/small, and these guys are similar types [although the gay/bi-str8 is a degree of difference here] but anything with Vander gets me off….seeing that huge hard gay cock is thrilling, and Taylor has a gr8 one, too

Agree with ya Ty….by the way, I think you should be a porn stud…your hot.

I’m with Tyler.

YOU’RE with Tyler? Take a number and get to the end of the line, bub! :-)

There is zero chance of my disliking this clip. Vander is officially my favorite porn star.

Jeez…admit you like anything out of the range of vanilla gay porn (piss, cream pies, bondage, bareback, fisting) and get EXCORIATED!

Tyler…keep on keeping on with your hot self!

Everyone else I reiterate Tyler’s words: TOO BAD ABOUT YOUR WEAK STOMACH!

This one is my favorite video from 2010!. That’s all I got to say.

I’m not a fan of piss. I don’t know how this fetish is gaining in popularity. Of course I don’t understand tattoos either so I’m used to not being on the popular wave.
That being said, I’ve been anticipating this matchup for a week now and it does not disappoint. The combination of the extremely hot Taylor and the filthiness of Vander is just awesome.
This is also the first time Taylor has really pounded a guy.

Yeah, the piss thing is not for me, either. The Taylor thing, though, is ALWAYS for me.
Hot.
As.
Fuck.

Well I guess I’m more “vanilla” then some cuz piss play is not my thing. Having said that, this is actually a hot pairing in spite of the piss play. Vander is always hot and Taylor has never looked better.

I just wish Vander had fucked Taylor with that mouth watering cock of his.

YES!!!

Personally I find pissing on someone disgusting, but I don’t care what other people do. To be described as “feint of heart” because I find it disgusting however, is just f’ing insulting! Do what you want to do Brian, I’m sure those like me will unsubscribe. What’s next? Scat?

Would never want to wait around to find out what’s next in Brian’s mind. His shrink must need therapy after seeing him.

did Vander gain a little bit of weight. College 10 or 20?

Piss, no piss, cream pie, no cream pie. It’s all good. I’d prefer the cream pie tho.

This looks good. I think CM is trying to carve out a niche between a hardcore BDSM and the vanilla SC/CF sites. It’s interesting to see how his business model is changing. And I wonder how successful, profit-wise, it is.

Very small audience for this type of stuff…but Bryan is desperate to do something that stands out next to all the other sites with equally hot, and hotter guys. The piss market is tiny, you can tell by the quality and studios that put it out.

They turned to bareback, calling it “raw” and it didn’t carve him a spot in the market. Next he turned to light bondage, still fell flat. This will do the same.

well, i kind of like how different CM is from Corbin Fisher and SC. I am a little concerned about the BB play and the model’s welfare. But I will be honest and I do think BB and creampies are hot. I also dig seeing some bondage. And verbal talk is nice. Piss play… I’m meh about.

Are you Bryan’s friggin’ accountant or what?!

Take a week off, why don’t ya

Oh, I wonder if the piss play adding some extra aroma to Vander’s normal, special musky scent that Bryan seems to enjoy. :)

LOL, I was wondering the same thing.

There is always something about Taylor that makes me wanna reach into the computer screen and take him home with me…love the way he kisses, moans the DIRTY TALK. That body is to die for and a cock that you wanna bounce on, but Bryan keeps reminding us that Taylor is str8-I think he’s bi.

Agreed. Taylor can do no wrong. He just has the type of body I love along with his rounded, handsome face. He just typifies masculinity in the best way. I like how he can be dominant and tender while being sensual. Not many have that much range. And he’s beefy where it counts, toned and fit all-around.

I’m not usually into all that pissy stuff, however this looks enticing. Love me some Taylor and can’t wait to see his beautiful hole stuff with that massive cock. Hey, it ain’t for everyone as stated above, but the vanilla aspect makes it appealing nonetheless.

Am I the only one being thrown by the furniture in the shower?

How do you expect them to have sex on? Marble floors?

hahaha, the piss getting all over that furniture and that rug they had in the shower threw me more than any of the actual sex play..

Piss isn’t my thing either but the guys are hot enough to make up for it and none of it gets in the mouth. Looks pretty hot but disappointed that Vander doesn’t cum with Taylor’s cock up his ass.

What’s next, Bryan? Ransom shitting in Teo’s mouth? Would that be ‘edgy’ enough for you?

After Taylor pissed on him, they never rinsed it off. They just started drying with the towels, and I kept thinking ‘damn, that’s gonna stink later.’

Excrement is not for me. But Taylor is SUPER HOT and I hope he is around for a long time. Vander is hot, too, but he makes odd facial grimaces sometimes that make him look foolish.

Fucking gross. Ew. Why Chaosmen? WHY?!? If pissing on someone turns you on, you have major mental issues. This world is so fucked up.

Small-minded people like you typify the old Scottish saying, “More to be pitied than censured.”

The irony, of course, is that while I pity you for being so prosaic, all you want to do is punish other people for not believing EXACTLY like you.

Phunky isn’t punishing anyone, he is exercising freedom of speech, and is obviously not looking at the world through rose colored glasses since he happens to understand that human excretions are a waste product with bacterial hazards and the potential to breed disease.

Apparently, this video just got pulled from the Chaosmen site, so apparently a few people have a MAJOR problem with the whole watersports theme. Personally, I’m not into it, but I won’t knock it if the scene is scorching hot. Apparently, there’s a market for this, so if it’s not your thing, best thing to do is just skip it and look elsewhere.

I don’t see the reason why the clip was removed, just because of some piss play in the scene. If some people didn’t like it, why ruin it for those who did?

I wasn’t repulsed by the pissing, but it didn’t light my fire, either. I just kind of fast-forwarded through it. But I think CCBill was a bit extreme in forcing the site to remove the video.

I do think if Bryan wants to venture into the piss/shit and S&M direction, he really should start a new site featuring the kinkier stuff. It’s obvious he has a penchant for it. I’m sure he’d get a big response. I’d venture to say the majority of his current members aren’t looking for that kind of thing.

I will give Bryan A LOT of credit for trying new things. He blows SeanCody and CorbinFisher out of the water when it comes to experimentation. Edgy for Sean Cody is a silly bean bag game, and Corbin Fisher has been stuck in repeat mode for as long as I can remember.

Taylor’s metamorphosis over the last year has been amazing. He’s even hotter now.

I think he has the best bush in porn. :P I see it and I get hard.

I enjoyed the piss play.

Totally agreed on the elite status of the bush!

1.Taylor and Vander delious as Always!!! ;)
2.What is Bryan doing turning this site into TIN jr?.
Sad if he is :(

3.@ 1americainkorea why are you picking on phunky and calling him *dull and commonplace in the way he thinks*?
Hell he telling the truth the world is messed upas he so plainly puts it now as to the mental stability of people whom engage in this type stuff he WAS/IS out fo line. I say *MORE POWER TO YOU GUYS WHATEVER FLOATS YOUR BOAT*.
I KNOW ITS JUST NOT thing.

Wish Vander or Taylor would comment here since Bryan won’t and report to Bryan that out of 25 or so comments here only 4 or 5 appear to be liking this. And Yes, people please no smart alec comments I know Bryan stated that this would not be to everyones liking just saying.

Is Bryan trying to end like ASG/SCM. Amateur Straight WHO
Straight College WHAT. That s just how relevant they have become former shells of themselves. Straight College Men pretty much a joke now with cam/web only videos.

Where in the HELL is my 1st comment waybig?

The video was amazing: Vander did a great job at bottoming and Taylor as always super horny and nasty with his mouth mmmmmmm. I read somewhere that Taylor did a scene for Brazzers.com-is it true? help a homo out, i can’t find anything

I am not for pissing either — I have no idea what seems so erotic about it… Vander’s dick is even bigger than Taylor’s… The dude is losing his baby fat on his face and on his body — looking more of a man now… I hope Bryan keeps using Taylor as long as he is willing to apear on gay porn — much like Corbin Fisher has been using Dawson and RB has been using Reese, for ages and ages now… I do not think I’ll ever get tired of Taylor!

I had a bf into this and I tried it its not so bad but I’m not into pee in the mouth

Screen Grab from ChaosMen:

Funny that CCBill has problems with peeing but has never shown any objections to barebacking.

what? How bizarre. Is CCBill the only way to purchase this? Sounds like a monopoly.

That’s too bad about having to edit this down. For everyone involved. The actors, the company, the viewers.

I believe that there was piss play in a video with Silas maybe they didn’t catch that one

My question is? Is everyone going to join brucetaggert in writing CCBill or what? And how many people do you need for them to change their MINE?

meant MIND DAMN NEW YEAR TYPOS

Put this out on a DVD, and I’ll buy it.

You Would MIKE LOL :). Then Again so would I just for MY Taylor and Vander gruff!!!! ;)

Amen, CCBill. Get rid of that shit so I can enjoy the video. Out of sight, out of mine.

I’m with CCbill!

If Brian wants to this type of porn, FINE; but he shouldn’t expect perfectly sensible people to find it “decent”. It’s not!

Look at my last comment, and see what “piss” contains.
Spraying bacteria and chemicals around and claiming that it’s “hot”, yeah sorry but that’s neither normal nor is it healthy.

Seriously where will this stop? Fisting, Double Penetration, Whipping, Electro-stimulation, extreme bondage, feigned torture etc. when does it pass the line between porn and torture, when will it cross the line from legal to illegal? Should the next step be legalization of Snuff porn, simply because there is an audience for it, because there is money to be made or because there is consent between the parties.

I don’t mean to sound “vanilla”, I just think that if you’re intent is to harm your own body or another human being you should not be considered a completely, mentally healthy person.

So I’m with CCbill. Hate me for it, if you wish, but that’s my opinion.

@Fazz

“If Brian wants to this type of porn, FINE; but he shouldn’t expect perfectly sensible people to find it ‘decent’. It’s not!” -Fazz

Masses and masses of heterosexuals would say the exact same thing about all homosexual porn. If this is your defence of CCBill’s action, then you, Fazz, should be advocating for all homosexual porn to be censored.

“Spraying bacteria and chemicals around and claiming that it’s ‘hot’, yeah sorry but that’s neither normal nor is it healthy.” -Fazz

Then surely (logically) you must agree that all ejaculation should also be censored from porn. Semen travels through the same urethra as urine, you know? Any bacteria that the urine washes out can also be washed out in semen. So displays of the ejaculation of semen is at least as unhealthy as displays of the the expulsion of urine.

“Seriously where will this stop? Fisting, Double Penetration, Whipping, Electro-stimulation, extreme bondage, feigned torture etc. when does it pass the line between porn and torture, when will it cross the line from legal to illegal? Should the next step be legalization of Snuff porn, simply because there is an audience for it, because there is money to be made or because there is consent between the parties.” -Fazz

Ooo, the classic slippery slope argument: “If we allow homosexual marriage, what’s next? Polygamous marriage? Incestuous marriage? Bestial marriage?”

Such an argument is simply fallacious in all iterations.

The societal tolerance or prohibition of different conduct (or media, rights, etc.) can and should be justified case-by-case. If different cases involve different considerations, then they it may be that tolerance is rationally justified in one case while prohibition is justified in another.

“I don’t mean to sound ‘vanilla’, I just think that if you’re intent is to harm your own body or another human being you should not be considered a completely, mentally healthy person.” -Fazz

I doubt you have the evidence to claim that anyone in piss porn is *intentionally* trying to harm any body, their own included. It would be irrelevant anyways though, since you have not yet evinced that contact with urine is in fact substantially more harmful than contact with semen, saliva, sweat, or even skin (all of which have “bacteria and chemicals,” just as urine does).

If you are denouncing piss porn and supporting its censorship on the basis that it is “indecent”, because (in your expert opinion) urine is too toxic, then you should actually be denouncing and censoring all porn.

If you are denouncing piss porn and supporting its censorship on the basis that it is “indecent”, because (in your personal opinion) you find it to be disgusting, then you are no better than a homophobe disgusted by and seeking to outlaw all homosexual conduct.

Really, Fazz, I think you ought to check yo’self before you wreck yo’self.

I don’t know where to start with this, but it’s the last I’m looking at since its astonishingly laughable…

–Spraying bacteria and chemicals around and claiming that it’s ‘hot’, yeah sorry but that’s neither normal nor is it healthy.” -Fazz
“Then surely (logically) you must agree that all ejaculation should also be censored from porn.” – E

Err, the point of porn is to ejaculate and reach climax through orgasm. Correct me if I’m wrong, but when men are aroused and receive sexual stimulation, they are biologically (and dare I say naturally) programmed to release semen. Pissing on a partner is something people are inventing for purposes that I cannot begin to comprehend. In fact, this type of behavior is unlikely to be present in the sexual habits of other mammals or species. But then again I’m not an expert on that area.

–Seriously where will this stop? Fisting, Double Penetration, Whipping, Electro-stimulation, extreme bondage, feigned torture etc …- Fazz
“Ooo, the classic slippery slope argument: “If we allow homosexual marriage, what’s next? Polygamous marriage? Incestuous marriage? Bestial marriage?” – E

WOW, you’ve reached a new low! You’re comparing/ catagorizing homosexual marriage with polygamy and incest? Were ypu born yesterday or something and can therefore justify your complete cluelessness on the dangers of incest breeding, or the promiscuity of polygamous relationships inc. the emotional/ psychological hurdles people struggle with when sharing husbands or wives? I can’t believe I’m even arguing this….

The fact that you have nerve to say something so poorly constructed and stupendous such as “If you are denouncing piss porn and supporting its censorship on the basis that it is “indecent”, because (in your personal opinion) you find it to be disgusting, then you are no better than a homophobe disgusted by and seeking to outlaw all homosexual conduct.”

– Oh encephallus, grow a brain! YOU’RE calling him no better than a homophobe because he finds piss-play indecent and sets limits on what he believes are safe sex practices? You’re resorting to name-calling because he doesn’t adhere to your view and wants to express how he sees abnormality in accepting piss-play as erotic or
healthy? You know, there’s no point… it’s obvious your purpose here is to act like a smart-ass and justify comment after comment with excuses as to how we’re all homophobes if we dare speak in disapproval of piss-play becoming normative in our porn.

I am happy to agree to disagree with you, because there’s noway you or I will see eye-to-eye or be conclusive in anything we say.

@AshBry

“Err, the point of porn is to ejaculate and reach climax through orgasm.” -AshBry

Uh, wow. How do you explain the existence of porn in which there is no ejaculation? Have you ever heard of softcore porn?

I think more people would agree that the point of porn is to sexually entertain/arouse. For some people, piss porn does this.

“Correct me if I’m wrong, but when men are aroused and receive sexual stimulation, they are biologically (and dare I say naturally) programmed to release semen.” -AshBry

But (at least when it comes to urine) Fazz claims that displays of harmful fluid exchange should be banned in porn. Semen is not sterile. Ejaculation can spray chemicals and bacteria all over the place. Recall what Fazz said, “spraying bacteria and chemicals around and claiming that it’s ‘hot’, yeah sorry but that’s neither normal nor is it healthy.” I think you’re disagreeing with Fazz’s words, not mine.

“Pissing on a partner is something people are inventing for purposes that I cannot begin to comprehend. In fact, this type of behavior is unlikely to be present in the sexual habits of other mammals or species. But then again I’m not an expert on that area.” -AshBry

Again you resort to the same kinds of arguments that homophobes use when they seek to censor or restrict homosexuality. (Note that I am not calling you a homophobe, I’m simply pointing out that you are using the same flawed arguments that they use. Whether the behavior is “natural” or not is irrelevant. We don’t ban the wearing of glasses because it is “unnatural”.) I find it interesting and disturbing that you do this so frequently.

Also, you are dead wrong about pissing not being involved in the sexual habits of non-human animals. Males of almost all mammalian species (from mice to monkeys) sniff the pheremone- and hormone-rich urine of their mates to detect if their mate is presently fertile–and the sniffing males become sexually aroused in the process. As a volunteer zookeeper for a year, it was a common sight among the animals at the zoo. I saw firsthand as a male giraffe actually stuck it’s head into its mate’s stream of urine, and then subsequently began to initiate sex. The zookeeper I was working with explained to me what was going on. If you really can’t believe that such things happen in nature, then I can try to find some official documentation of the phenomenon.

“WOW, you’ve reached a new low! You’re comparing/ catagorizing homosexual marriage with polygamy and incest?” -AshBry

Actually, it’s your reading comprehension that has reached a new low. I clearly said that arguing using such slippery-slope comparisons is fundamentally fallacious, and I even explained why.

Here’s my actual quote, so you can try to read it correctly this time. I said, “Ooo, the classic slippery slope argument: ‘If we allow homosexual marriage, what’s next? Polygamous marriage? Incestuous marriage? Bestial marriage?’ Such an argument is simply fallacious in all iterations. The societal tolerance or prohibition of different conduct (or media, rights, etc.) can and should be justified case-by-case. If different cases involve different considerations, then it may be that tolerance is rationally justified in one case while prohibition is justified in another.”

I only brought it up because Fazz was making an argument that was perfectly analagous to this common but fallacious gay marriage argument that you so vehemently oppose. Fazz’s slippery-slope argument and the gay marriage slippery-slope argument are fallacious on the same grounds.

“Oh encephallus, grow a brain! YOU’RE calling him no better than a homophobe because he finds piss-play indecent and sets limits on what he believes are safe sex practices?” -AshBry

Try reading that one again; that’s not what I said. My conclusion was clearly premised on the condition that he approves of the censorship of piss-play. “Censorship” was a key word in my statement and you completely overlooked it. Fazz is not just expressing his opinions on what is indecent, he’s actively promoting the censorship of that which he finds to be indecent, simply because he doesn’t like it.

For at least the third time now, I’m only criticizing his approval and attempted justification of censorship. I do not decry him for expressing his personal tastes or for holding himself to whatever limits of decency that he so desires. I just reject the idea that anyone’s personal aesthetic opinions are any justification for censorship.

“You’re resorting to name-calling because he doesn’t adhere to your view and wants to express how he sees abnormality in accepting piss-play as erotic or healthy?” -AshBry

Nowhere did I call Fazz any names. Maybe you are imagining that I called him a homophobe? I didn’t. I only indicated how his position on censorship has the same basis as a homophobe’s position on censorship. That is not name-calling.

Also, you think that my view is that “accepting piss-play as erotic or healthy is normal”? If so, you are wrong. I dare you to point out (with a direct quote) where I expressed such a position in your eyes. I have simply said (1) that his personal opinions on the eroticness or normalcy of piss-play are no justification for censoring piss-porn and (2) that he has failed to evince that piss-play is terribly unhealthy compared to other acts that are widely permitted in porn.

Pissing on some one else is not NORMAL? That is the most stupid thing i’ve heard (read) in a long time! Maybe it is not that common, but to say that it is not normal is pathetic, specially comming from porn watching fags! Us fags should be the last ones to play the game of getting on the high chair and telling other adults what is “normal”. If it depended on some people, gays would be burned at the stake because we are not “normal” and normal people don’t watch “porn”. Every one here is overlooking the important thing: the censorship of CCBill.

@fresero_abre_culos

Well, the definition of “normal” is “conforming to the standard or the common type; usual; not abnormal; regular; natural.” So, if pissing on someone else is “not that common” as you say, then it is indeed not “normal”, by definition.

I agree with your point, though. The hypocrisy of gay people decrying that piss porn should be censored from society simply because piss porn is “not normal” is truly shameful.

When it comes to sex any one who says that some thing is not “normal” is actually meaning that it is abnormal. Words have meanings by “definition” but this definition changes depending on the context for wich it is being used.

Dear Bryan,

Many thanks for the update/status report.

Whether we are individually into water sports or not, does not seem to be the pressing issue. Rather, the main issue is whether consenting adults should be free to view what they choose within reasonable limits as defined by the jurisprudence of the US Supreme Court (and water sports certainly falls in this category).

Seems like we are going back to the Legion of Decency days. Such a paternalistic attitude is not in keeping with the times or honoring the value of artistic expression.

I will contact CCBill.

In 2011, let’s all strike a blow for the First Amendment and the Market Place of Ideas!

With all the talk about the “piss play” in this video, I’m surprised that no one has mentioned any surprise or disappointment about this not being a flip-flop video. Chaosmen seem to make the majority of their videos flip-flops and frankly, I was a little disappointed to not see Taylor getting fucked or Vander returning the favor of “piss play” on to Taylor. I know the write up said there may be a rematch between the two of them with the roles reversed, so I’m hoping for that sometime next year. Both guys here are hot, but Taylor is just plain beautiful and like a work of art to me. He needs to get that nice, round and plump ass of his fucked as much as possible!

Those complaints aside, I like this video alot and it was a very good pairing. I hope Bryan is able to arrange that rematch between the two of them. And hopefully he can get Taylor and Dante together sometime!

Not surprising that Taylor wouldn’t take Vanders give cock

Gotta say that while a rematch would be cool, the pairing I REALLY want to see is Curtis topping Taylor.

Alright, which one of you Complaining Cathys works for CCBill?

Like they would tell you Info. :) ALL I gotta say is NOT ME. :)

Lemme get this straight: CCBill allows incest (those identical twins on BelAmiOnline), but pissing violates the TOS? Weird and unjustified, for sure.

Pissing has become extremely popular in both bareback and non-bareback porn. E.g., Michael Lucas has had several piss movies, including “Piss Sluts.” And Vlado Iresch’s popular (mostly bareback) Staxus Czech videos are now heavy on piss.

While I loooove raunchy sex, piss is a turnoff to me, and the appeal is hard to understand — but to each his own :). I can usually just zip through those parts, only half-looking at the screen. In any event, this should be for the subscriber to decide, not CCBill. But CCBill is such an outstanding and upstanding transaction processor that it’s hard to get TOO mad at them.

Good points.

Really good point about the incest. I agree with you on everything.

So does that mean that all future footage will not be seen that contains this type of *entertainment*

Not on sites that use CCBill, unless they chnge their policy. But as you may have seen Bryan says he expects the censored footage from this scene to eventually be available on on-demand/pay-per-view sites. And I presume the same might apply to DVD…at least Chaos doesn’t expect you to buy a DVD to see bareback fucking without a girl in the scene, a la f’d up Corbin Fisher

Ashame about this. And I know right Johnny on the Corbin Fisher thing DVD thing of course they have never had females at CM thank goodness. And to everyone here HAPPY NEW YEAR GUYS!!!!

Wonder if the CCBill issue has any legal underpinnings. I have seen one website that is targeted to retail-store merchandisers of gay DVD’s which warns that it is illegal to sell pissing videos in some areas of the US. OTOH, I would assume that CCBill has the usual “you need to know the laws in your own country or municipality” disclaimers.

One more thought…

I wonder what Bryan means by, “Sales have been good on this video”? Is he just talking about downloads? Or is he actually tracking stats on how many new subscriptions there are upon the release of each vid?

Interesting.

Ya see, I’m one of those types who will watch anything and as long as I find something hot about it to get off to, it’s fine by me. But I definitely understand those who are of the mindset that this isn’t for them.

I don’t like the idea that the video was pulled due to the hypocritical nature of it (since similar videos and other “out there” type scenarios were not). But, it is what it is.

For me, this was really hot. :)

Fascinating. You can show bareback. You can show twins fucking each other bareback. You can show cumming in a mouth, and the load can be swallowed. You can show a guy cum on an ass and push the cum into the ass with his cock. Hell, you might even be able to show a guy cumming in an ass. But no piss play. Weird.

that’s actually a good point. Out of all those things listed, which is more dangerous?

+1

Everyone Loves Taylor!

Check your local listings for day and time.

I predict Bryan will start releasing pissing and fisting and whatever the hell else he is into to DVDs.

I predict Bryan will start a new kinkier website and use another credit card company. And CCBill will see how much business they’re losing and change their policy since it’s ridiculous.

Im just happy i got to see Taylor’s pissing video…i always buy a month for 30.00 everytime he puts out a Taylor video. Love my Taylor

Well I actually liked the PISS version. It may be offensive to some, but for some I have to say they enjoyed it. Good duo though. I say yes either way.

I love the both of them, but some things I can’t accept. I mean, what is our kids going to say when they get older?

You’re right! They’re probably going to say “Dad, I was watching your ChaosMen videos the other day and I was really cool with all the creampies you got into, but once you started in with that piss nonsense, I started questioning your judgment. I’m filing for emancipation in the morning!”

Res1, no one cares about kids here buddy, don’t you know the most important thing in life is to live like selfish fuckers and deal with the consequences when we’re no longer competent to accept responsibility? ;)

dude. It’s not like your jerking off to a guy killing someone. It’s piss. A normal bodily function. People say the same thing about how can some dude have anal sex, with a guy no less. Yet, that’s not a big deal, no? Why is that?

If you don’t like it, fine. But live and let live. Unless they are hurting people, just live and let live.

I know where CCBill is coming from with their terms of “decency.” It’s not a matter of safety for all those before me who have made comments on barebacking vs. Water Sports. The keyword here in CCBill’s statement is “decency,” not safety. Who are CCBill’s competitors? That’s who I would begin contacting. Maybe contact iBill. I don’t know their terms, but it wouldn’t hurt to find out. CCBill might be unresponsive to our letters. I’m sure they are a great billing company, but they have crossed a line as far as I’m concerned. You have to threaten to take your business elsewhere (once you have a competitor in place) and then follow through with it should CCBill not respond accordingly.

Side note: This video is fucking hot haha Only complaint is I would have liked to see them flip flop.

Did you guys know that “Vander” appeared as “Marc” on Corbin Fisher’s Amateur College Men back in 2007???

http://blog.waybig.com/2007/11/06/marc-corbinfisher/

corbinfisher.com/ACMPreview.aspx?id=472&site=ACM

By the way, I got the Taylor & Vander Video and it is FUCKIN’ HOT!!! Too bad it had to be taken down though :(

NHT

Taylors black sponge makes lose control of myself, in tune with the weirdness of this clip, I think I would love to smell his bush… after a hard days work

Will not be logging onto this site anymore, it’s only a matter of time before you all enjoy piss in your daily supper of porn, and human feces for a late night snack. Gorge yourselves, especially you Brian.

Write when you find work …

PS I believe it’s Bryan.

Poeple in an uproar over piss..are you kidding me? Anywayz, I’m glad it was cut, so I wont be contacting ccbill or anyone else.

not into the peeing thats kinda gross but i AM into the bottom wow he gets the juices flowing :D RAWR!

The only bodily fluids I like with sex is cum, sweat, and spit.

IMO piss, sh!t, blood and vomit, should not be involved in sex.

I’d add snot and boogers to that second list.

Sweat (especially heavy) doesn’t add anything for me, but it doesn’t detract much. Pre-cum is interesting once in awhile. Food is OK as long as it’s not brown like chocolate syrup.

F*ck all the prudes, that vid is hot.

Island Studs has pissing almost every week. Just sayin’.

meant to add… Island Studs uses CCBill too. “Selective enforcement” or is solo pissing OK but not pissing on someone else?

It’s so funny how some gay people can be so close-minded, judgmental and get on their high horse when something doesn’t fit their specific sexual interest. It’s kinda hypocritical imo. A lot of the comments being made are the same that homophobes say about gay sex in general.

So just because someone is gay, they can’t have limits on their sexual preferences? Are we expected to be open to ANY sex act just because we are gay or be considered hypocritical?

Here Here Elmtree! Completely Agree!

You can absolutely have your own personal limits. People here are taking it to a point of shaming people who are not opposed to watersports or maybe like it. The over-the-top level of vitriol is making it almost impossible for others to enjoy it. And that is not fair.

You guys’ behavior isnt that different than a bunch of straight guys coming to make posts about how gross it is for guys to have anal sex.

Jared, just to clarify a couple points. First let me state, while I don’t care for piss play, I didn’t put down anyone who does like it. Secondly, if you look thru the posts, there are some that put down those of us who don’t care for piss play and try to “shame” us who don’t like it such as bob80’s post which states “f*ck all the prudes”. Is that fair? I think I’m far from a prude even tho I have personal limits.

Secondly, I’m a little offended you compare gay sex to piss play and compare my dislike of piss play to a straight persons dislike of gay sex. I do think I understand the point you were trying to make but I home we are not at the point where gays can’t find ANY sex act to be gross without being told we are hypocrites.

Well sorry if u r offended but it is true. many straight guys think homosexual sex and attraction is just totally disgusting. They find it more disgusting than pissing on someone’s ass in the shower.

And all the anti-piss people being called prudes isnt the same. Bob80 is only reacting to being insulted first. It’s not like people came on here declaring that everyone should like piss play or they are prude. The anti-piss people started it.

Jared, regarding your comment “the anti-piss people started it”, what, are you five? Not the most mature comeback from you or bob80 but I do agree it was also not necessary for the piss lovers to be called names. And yes it is the same when someone strikes back with name calling…

Regarding the straight guys finding gay sex more disgusting then pissing on some ones ass, that sounds like there problem not mine. If straight men find gay sex more disgusting then incest am I not allowed to express my distaste for incest? And how do you know straight men find gay sex more disgusting then pissing on some one’s ass? Has a straight guy pissed on your ass? Just asking… :)

It’s not childish. The people moaning about how disgusting something is and how gross others are for liking are the more immature ones. And they started with this attack.

You and other people here like a lot of gays are just way too judgmental. The way people reacted to the twincest thing is another perfect example.Twin sex is fantasy that has existed for hundreds of years. Lesbian twin girls have been in straight porn for so long and no one complains.

Some gay people are so obsessed with defining themselves and what they don’t like that it eventually makes them bigoted against things that don’t fit into their own personal preference.

Ok Jared, if you are going to debate back and forth with someone at least read and comment on what the other person is saying. Case in point, you say “you (meaning me) and other people here…are way too judgmental”. How did I judge you or others who like piss play? Remember all I said was piss play was not my thing and I repeated this twice, now three times. So why am I lumped in the judgmental category?

Secondly, when someone makes a statement to the effect of, “you started it”, most people would think that is a little immature. And its certainly somewhat childish imo to use that line again in your follow up argument.

Thirdly, I questioned your “straight guy” argument and you didn’t even address this and this was what I was most curious about.

Fourth, now we “gays” who questioned the wisdom of incest are too judgmental? Exactly what are we allowed to disagree with sexually? Anything? Apparently I’m allowed to have personal limits but I’m not allowed to express them or I’m called a bigot.

Finally, in several of your responses, you talk about “gay people” this or “gays” that. In your last post you state “some gay people are so obsessed with defining themselves…”. If I were to “define” myself it would be simple as a person and a pretty good person imo. I don’t have to qualify myself as a “gay” person and limit my ability to have an opinion as you seem to want to do with “gay people”. I am a person who happens to be gay who comes to this blog site to express my opinions like everyone else. I shouldn’t be considered judgmental or bigoted because I have more limits then you appear to have.

A gay person is bigoted and hypocritical, when they not only reject something that they personally dont like, but do so in a way that it shames others who happen to like it. That was my original argument.

The comparison I made to straight guys and homophobes is perfect. Someone else made a comment here that I agreed with and added an example. It’s like whenever there is a gay clip on youtube and random homophobes post all these mean and hateful comments. The decent thing for those people to do is not watch that clip and keep it moving. But instead they feel the need to spread negativity.

As I previously noted, I don’t think its necessary for the piss haters to put down those who like the piss play. But I just reviewed the current 124 posts and, actually, there only a few posters who directly hurled insults at those who like piss play. Phunky started it by saying those who like piss play have mental issues (unnecessary). Since then only a few others have directly commented on those who like piss play. The overwhelming number of us have simply stated our preference, including some who state they think its gross or disgusting. But where is all of this over-the-top vitriol you speak of which shames piss lovers and spreads negativity? To me it just looks like most of us are gays expressing the opinion piss play is not for us.

A contradictory opinion is not negativity or hate, with intent to shame or harm the emotionally well being of someone else. A contradictory opinion is not close-mindedness or scorn targetted in segregation of a group or individual who holds a different view-point. One needs to understand that in discourse, there is debate of opposing views and it is necessary to dispel false ideas and come up with logical arguements supported by good reasoning, so that less informed individuals can gain insight into significant knowledge they lack (i.e. concerning health, or risk-behavior).
My last and critical point is to illustrate what most people seem to overdramatize when they feel they are being attacked by an opposing view: it is not that you are the subject of scorn, it is the behavior you approve of that is difficult to digest in the mind of someone who questions the abnormality of it.

You havent merely expressed pissplay isn’t for you. By saying it’s disgusting or nasty you are shaming others. How about if someone came up to you and felt the need to express that gay sex is disgusting and nasty?

Jared, the very fact that I am asserting my opinion in an objective fashion here, means that ‘I’ think piss-play is not a cool game, and in that I am sure you can deduct that ‘it’s not for me’. No, my intention has not been to shame anyone who approves of it; am I not permitted to voice my true feelings towards the act of pissing on people? It is one thing to point a finger and show disgust for a person, and another to be perplexed and rather turned-off by the practices they they fit within the frame of normative sexual activity.

If someone came up to me and said gay sex was disgusting, I’d say I never asked for your opinion. People are free to think what they want, it’s in how they externalize and project it in a physical disply of their feelings that distinguishes between the offensive and non-offensive use of expression.

@elmtree
“…there are some that put down those of us who don’t care for piss play and try to “shame” us who don’t like it such as bob80’s post which states “f*ck all the prudes”. Is that fair? I think I’m far from a prude even tho I have personal limits.” -elmtree

It could be that bob80 (or even Jared for that matter) wasn’t calling you, in particular, a prude. Maybe his curse was aimed exclusively at those who approve of the censoring of piss porn. When people start to oppress others with their “personal limits” (without a well-supported rational basis), that is when I do think it is fair that those people are judged negatively.

I don’t care if people decry that piss porn is gross/disgusting/vile/nasty (I fact I may generally agree with them). But I do care when people want society to censor and/or prohibit something without a well-supported claim that tolerance of it would be harmful.

Well said Encephallus and I fully agree, especially what you said in your last paragraph. I think a healthy, adult debate is a positive thing for all participants. And I certainly have NO desire to censor any type of porn whether I liker the content or think its disgusting. Those who like piss play should have an outlet for this and have every right to shout their support loud and clear. My main point in debating Jared was those who dislike piss play have the equal right to let their dislike, or even disgust, be heard without worrying about offending those who like it. And both sides of the debate should be able to freely express their opinions, no matter how strong, without either side resorting to name calling.

Again, well said Encephallus.

I don’t think it’s all that well said Elmtree, since Encephallus is being hypocritical in the last paragraph.

‘I don’t care if people decry that piss porn is gross/disgusting/vile/nasty (I fact I may generally agree with them).’
That’s exactly what many of us have done encephallus; it is not a crime or vicious decry of intolerance if we choose to speak against piss-play or make questionable the perceived erotic vs disgusting nature of it.
If yourself or others do ‘not care’ about another persons perception or feelings towards piss-play, then why take personal offense and express intolerance of those that hold a differing opinion to your own? People turn it around to sound like an attack on their identity or sexual preference, and that’s beyond the scope of the issue. The main issue is NOT that peeing on the body is significantly harmful (to some extent it is i.e. broken skin coming in contact with urine from a less than healthy individual), the main issue and point that triggered this debate is WHERE to draw the line. If everybody was to express tolerance of whatever porn deems as sexy and deliciously FUN, labelling it open-mindedness, then I wouldn’t be surprised if someday in the future we all are pissing and shitting on each others face and calling it love.

@elmtree

I agree with your point (in fact I haven’t found any of your arguments here to be invalid). I too think that Jared and others are being overly sensitive to other people’s expression of their personal aesthetic sentiments.

However, I do concur with Jared’s original comment (taken with the specific scope of referring to those gay people who support the piss porn censorship):

“It’s so funny how some gay people can be so close-minded, judgmental and get on their high horse when something doesn’t fit their specific sexual interest. It’s kinda hypocritical imo. A lot of the comments being made are the same that homophobes say about gay sex in general.” -Jared

@AshBry
“If yourself or others do ‘not care’ about another persons perception or feelings towards piss-play, then why take personal offense and express intolerance of those that hold a differing opinion to your own?” -AshBry

I can’t speak for others, but I never took personal offense or expressed intolerance of those holding a differing aesthetic opinion from my own. I dare you to point (with a direct quote) to where I did.

I have been critical of Fazz for his open praise for arbitrary censorship and I have contradicted him on a factual basis regarding his claims about the harmfulness or toxicity of expelled urine. If he would actually provide some real science to support his claim, then he might actually have a point. None of the (unprofessional) sources he has referenced for us in this discussion (wikipedia.org and about.com) have even said that contact with urine is especially harmful or toxic.

My criticism of you, AshBry, is your “naivity [sic]”. It is a trying ordeal attempting to have any discussion with someone like yourself who displays such logical inconsistency, poor reading comprehension, language deficiencies and lack of critical thinking. Of course, I’m just expressing my own opinion based on my own perceptions, so I mean no offense.

“The main issue is NOT that peeing on the body is significantly harmful (to some extent it is i.e. broken skin coming in contact with urine from a less than healthy individual), the main issue and point that triggered this debate is WHERE to draw the line. If everybody was to express tolerance of whatever porn deems as sexy and deliciously FUN, labelling it open-mindedness, then I wouldn’t be surprised if someday in the future we all are pissing and shitting on each others face and calling it love.” -AshBry

I’ve already expressed in my posts where to draw the line: if it is well-supported that tolerance of something would cause substantial harm then it is reasonable that for society to censor/prohibit that something. Further, the same censoring/prohibition policy should be applied consistently, so if X qualifies as substantial harm in one case, then X should qualify as substantial harm in all cases.

(Also, I’ve already made my case against your slippery slope argument in response to Fazz in reply to comment #24.)

I can’t believe the uproar here. It’s really not a big deal. It didn’t even get in his mouth… which is typically what other videos that feature this, have.

They’re both HOT.

Urine is sterile and this piss play is hot. Its not like he pissed in his mouth, gave him a piss enema or anything like how the other sites. He just pissed on his ass, and body which was so hot.

argentsly: A correction from Wiki. ““Urine is an unsterile, liquid by-product of the body that is secreted by the kidneys through a process called urination and excreted through the urethra. […] Urine is sterile until it reaches the urethra…”

i remember seeing & hearing Jake Gyllenhaal admit he pissed on someone’s leg after they got stung by a jellyfish when he was a lifeguard. It stopped the sting. Would you be opposed to receiving that cowboy?

Jake Gyllenhaal…ummmmmmm, yum! :)

hxxp://firstaid.about.com/od/bitesstings/f/07_JellyfishPee.htm

Urine doesn’t work, and can make it worse.

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2008/08/jake_gyllenhaal_once_peed_on_s.html

If you don’t like water sports don’t do it. It’s not harming anyone and it’s perfectly legal. Why come on this board voicing your distaste for it? It’s like a gay basher coming on this board.

THIS! Or like when straight guys troll gay youtube clips.

Gawd, Taylor’s bush is so dark and thick. WOOF !

Exactly.

I don’t care for watersports; but to each his own. Since it was limited, I don’t think it distracted from the other action in the video. I think it was a good/hot video.

Piss is warm and pure. It’s nice. Kinda lemony. As a submissive bottom, I want my top to feel free to take a whiz on me in the shower any time he wants. Bottomline: anything that comes out of a penis is good — and belongs on or in me.

For me, the saving grace in the proliferation of piss-play porn is the lack of smell-o-vision.

#150

Vander is the hottest top in porn!

Vander big beefy body, feet and gangsta king sized cock has my mind in a tizzy! Dude #3 so far today that i’d consider going gay for! Taylor’s body is fuckin amazing, that bush is nice, and so is his dick…but I don’t like his teeth, he looks super goofy in the face. But this is hot, can’t get over how huge and awesome Vander’s shlong is! Not a fan of the pissing, but the fucking is soooooooo FIRE here!

Just to let you guys know, Bryan has a photo of Taylor and Dante eatting a burrito after a shoot on his twitter account. And also there is an interview with Taylor on gaydemon blog- Taylor prefers a wet pussy over ass- clearly he is still in denial

seriously, you’re all arguing over a porn and piss? oh man what has the internets turned you people into….

ChaosMen: Taylor & Vander (RAW PISS)

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