SeanCody: Myles & Curtis (Bareback)

Jonny Marzetti says:

Good example of one of the many factors that could be affecting model selection, as opposed to leaping to the conclusion that a more-visible factor like barebacking is the overriding driver. Re the P.S., you might be onto something.

Jonny Marzetti says:

elmtree, a suggestion that something is going on (namely you, dio and others strongly suggesting that the BB is a likely reason for deterioration in model quality — “bring back the condoms if you have to”), is a bigger leap than the kind of more passive position I’m taking — namely, that average model quality *isn’t* necessarily deteriorating much (if at all), and that even if it is we just can’t presume to know whether BB is causing a lot of the cuter guys to say, “not gonna do it.”

As for what evidence I have that BB is NOT affecting things: Again, I’ll point out that Corbin Fisher sure has not been losing their top models since doing guy-guy BB, and that includes “old timers” from the condom-only days like Dawson, Connor and Cain. And who would have thought that the first BB at Sean Cody would include beautiful Brandon? No, none of this *proves* anything, but it’s suggestive. Reading your earlier comments, Dio’s and others, I was starting to pick up that “we know for sure what’s going on” vibe from 1.5 years ago when everyone was insisting up and down that I was absolutely nuts to think that Corbin Fisher would EVER let the guys BB without a woman in the scene (except on the occasional DVD).

My main point is that — in the absence of any hard facts falling in our laps — we have to tread lightly about assertions that the increasing BB is more than a minor (downward) influence. Conjecture is valid, assertions/assumptions aren’t (though of course anyone is able to assert whatever they want, even our Kenya-born president :)). Otherwise we’re back to a new version of “I can guarantee you there is absolutely NO way Corbin Fisher is ever going to do guy-only BB.” You never know what’s coming down for sure unless maybe you’re in the business; or know someone who is; or have hard evidence that just happens to fall in your lap (e.g., more than a couple hot guys saying that the BB is keeping them from performing).

Jonny Marzetti says:

elmtree, our original marathon debate was in the ChaosMen 12-8-10 update even though we were discussing Corbin Fisher. It followed through to other updates for Corbin Fisher and various sites, though the discussion was always about Corbin Fisher. My original beef with Corbin Fisher was actually what I justifiably viewed as a customer-demeaning (and even somewhat homophobic — whether intentionally or not) double-standard between ACS and ACM, namely that the guys could only fuck bareback if there is a girl around. You and others said that this was strictly business 101 (your term), and that it was designed as a lure to get guys who wouldn’t otherwise sign up for ACS to do so. While I don’t have time to continue searching, you did indeed still point out that we never know for sure what is going to happen. So that proves your contention that you never made an “I can guarantee you that there is NO way” kind of statement, and I was wrong in suggesting otherwise. (I do recall several posters insisting tersely and flat-out that guys would NEVER bareback on Corbin Fisher without a girl in the room. That was the general, ultimately incorrect consensus , but I don’t have time to keep searching for specific posts right now. And it’s not worth the time anyway; as you say this is just an opinion-filled porn blog, after all).

@CalRegularGuy – Excellent outline at other factors besides barebacking that could be the primary drivers of any decline in model quality.