Sean Cody: Sammy

Scrapple says:

Its never cool in my book. It’s not cool when pretty (usually blonde) teachers fuck students and get a slap on the wrist, meanwhile a guy does the same thing and nothing happens. “Call Me by Your Name” wasn’t cool either, and it fries my hash that everyone is so accepting of that relationship and shipping it with peaches and shit because of the homo undercurrent, or because they want to seem progressive. I don’t care if he was in another country. Armie’s character was still an American. Just because you flew on a plane, you’re suddenly ready to be sexually intimate with someone you would hopefully have enough sense to stay away from in the US? That’s gross. I don’t think it’s too much to ask that adults (regardless of their sexuality or gender), refrain from someone who doesn’t have a driver’s license, hasn’t finished puberty, is still in high school, has never held a job, or any of the other things that marks someone becoming a fully actualized human.

Sorry for the rant. Things like this don’t sit well with me, for various reasons.

Scrapple says:

That’s interesting that there was pushback from the community, because honestly all I ever heard was people raving about it and telling everyone to see it.

Bair says:

What I see sometimes happening is that some (who wait for opportunities to be seen and heard as being so very, very, very “virtuous” and “moral”) will use a movie like, Call Me By Your Name, as such an opportunity. I enjoyed it immensely and found it to be a rare movie in which emotional complexities were masterfully portrayed in such a brilliant and honest way that viewers could better understand their own emotional selves, and the emotional selves of others.
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Bair says:

I will re-watch the movie. My memory of it is they kissed and flirted but Oliver did not allow it to go further until Elio’s birthday. I seem to remember him saying that he did not want anything to happen that they would feel guilty and wrong about, later on. I’m paraphrasing. The age of consent in Italy is 14. That is what I found when I googled: 16 if the sex partner has power over you, like a priest or teacher. So, if they waited until Elio was 17 then they did not adhere to the saying that “when in Rome, do as the Romans do”.

Bair says:

You are right. In my defense I was literally dying last March and when I got out of the hospital among the things I wanted to do was see, Call Me By Your Name, and Love Simon. Needless to say I was tired and not yet completely myself, so I (somehow) very fuzzily thought a birthday had occurred in CMBYN. But, as I already wrote, the age of consent is 14 in Italy, and it was that at the time period of the movie as well. It seems the movie brought up issues in some that it did not bring up in me. I just enjoyed so much the exquisitely portrayed emotional journeys Elio and Oliver were on, and the games they played with themselves and one another as they both found their way to how they felt and were FINALLY able to bask in the joy and enjoyment of that. And now Elio has learned about life and love, and has grown and knows his truth. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7a431b406d1e6ada1ac19270b2c2d1bdd777c5d583ffe8171c2eac1ad89fa0c5.gif

Bair says:

I always read your comments. Yeah, I’ve been slowly getting better. My point was though that I somehow HALLUCINATED a birthday, and the only explanation for that must be my state of being after I got out of the hospital. I had not been on any mind altering drugs. Mostly just massive doses of antibiotics for a week, along with steroids and a loud, gushing flow of oxygen being pumped into my lungs around the clock. I had picked up a killer flu virus that a hospital doctor said was the worst he had seen in 40 years…AND PNEUMONIA! Within a short period of time, before I even suspected I was more than just “under the weather”, my lungs had become so congested that my body was no longer getting enough oxygen in my blood to function. I could not even stand up, as I found out. So, I ended up on the bathroom floor, completely unable to get up. My roommate, luckily, was not out of town as he often is and he called 911. I remained tired and weak for months, crying a lot, and sometimes I’d be sitting in a chair and suddenly drift off into a deep sleep for a few moments. So, I guess I must have lost consciousness while watching CMBYN, for a few moments, and dreamed Elio had a birthday. And what a nice birthday he had with cake and everything. PITIFUL! LOL

Scrapple says:

I never understood why they cast Armie in that role when he in no way looks like he’s 27.

That’s unfortunate that the movie somewhat romanticizes this relationship without showing the fallout. And from what you’ve said, that fallout seems to be clear.

I would agree with that, to an extent. But as was the case with Elio, even though he had developed mentally, he still wasn’t developed emotionally. He was still trying to figure out who he was and what he wanted. Oliver already knew all that stuff.

Scrapple says:

Why is Armie talking about his collegiate dating life?